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  • Norfolk '41 and '51 please

    I have a possible (but unproved) connection between two Elmer families in North Elmham, Norfolk, as yet i can't link two chaps as brothers/cousins but they seem to float around as witness to marriages throughout the families, part of the problem is that i can't say for certain where they were born to hint at baptism entries.

    Joseph Elmer 1841 return, born in county, aged 50, res. Grange Farm
    Joseph Elmer 1851 return, born B???y, aged 62 res. Grange Farm
    HO107/1825
    Registration district: Mitford
    Folio: 538
    Page: 19
    Household schedule number: 86

    Can anyone find the following family please, presumed to be around North Elmham again though the children may obviously be away somewhere by '41.

    John Elmer
    Elizabeth (wife)
    Eliza 1817 (daur)
    Mary Ann 1820 (daur)
    Arthur 1824 (son)

    I have just got to let Mrs G on for a while so apologies if i don't reply straightaway.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/

    Joseph Goulson 1701-1780
    My sledging hammer lies declined, my bellows too have lost their wind
    My fire's extinct, my forge decay'd, and in the dust my vice is laid

  • #2
    1841 - North Elmham, Norfolk
    household
    John Elmer 40 - occ. MS
    Elizabeth Elmer 40
    Arther Elmer 15
    Henry Elmer 10
    Jane Elmer 8
    Robert Elmer 75
    HO107; Piece 778; Book: 9; Civil Parish: North Elmham; County: Norfolk; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 28; Page: 10; Line: 7
    Elaine







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    • #3
      ?1851
      household:
      John Elmer b c1795 North Elmham
      Elizabeth Elmer b 1800 Gately, Norfolk, E
      Charles Carr age 42
      Antony Nobs age 21
      HO107; Piece: 1809; Folio: 608; Page: 16
      living Matlask, Norfolk
      Elaine







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      • #4
        Elmer

        Hiya
        1851 Norfolk
        John Elmer farm bailiff b.1795 North Elmham
        wife Elizabeth bailiff's wife b.Gately Norfolk
        by himself
        Arthur Elmer b.1824/5 North Elmham age 26 journeyman carpenter

        Have another Arthur Elmer b.1810 Elmham residing St Nicholas St Kings Lynn
        with 3 sons & a daug.

        Have Robert Elmer age 62 yrs b. Brisley farmer of 240 acres at Gange farm Elmham [Brisley is about 6 miles S.S.E. of Fakenham.Employing 9 persons,wife is Hannah age 60 b.Beetley has a son George age 28 Inn Keeper & Edward age 22.
        Son's born Elmham.
        tugman


        This from 1851 disc of Norfolk. Put in Joseph nothing

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        • #5
          Thanks Elaine

          Robert Elmer married Hannah Curson 28/02/1811 North Elmham


          Hannah daughter of John Curson/Mary Neave. John had previously been married to Mary Middledidge

          --

          John Elmer married Elizabeth Middleage 12/11/1817 North Elmham


          --

          1811 Gressenhall, Will Curson marriage, witness is a Robert Elmer. (possibly different families but worth noting).




          It still doesn't prove if and how Robert and John Elmer may be related but possibly they could even be brothers?
          http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/

          Joseph Goulson 1701-1780
          My sledging hammer lies declined, my bellows too have lost their wind
          My fire's extinct, my forge decay'd, and in the dust my vice is laid

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by tugman View Post
            Hiya
            1851 Norfolk
            John Elmer farm bailiff b.1795 North Elmham
            wife Elizabeth bailiff's wife b.Gately Norfolk
            by himself
            Arthur Elmer b.1824/5 North Elmham age 26 journeyman carpenter

            Have another Arthur Elmer b.1810 Elmham residing St Nicholas St Kings Lynn
            with 3 sons & a daug.

            Have Robert Elmer age 62 yrs b. Brisley farmer of 240 acres at Gange farm Elmham [Brisley is about 6 miles S.S.E. of Fakenham.Employing 9 persons,wife is Hannah age 60 b.Beetley has a son George age 28 Inn Keeper & Edward age 22.
            Son's born Elmham.
            tugman


            This from 1851 disc of Norfolk. Put in Joseph nothing
            Thanks Tugman,

            thats my Robert aged 62, as yet i haven't been able to pin down a baptism for him hence no indication of parents or siblings, the family remain connected to the farm until Hannah died in 1880 and often show other family with them, the George (innkeeper) for instance was married in '51 and his children appear at the farm various times.
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/

            Joseph Goulson 1701-1780
            My sledging hammer lies declined, my bellows too have lost their wind
            My fire's extinct, my forge decay'd, and in the dust my vice is laid

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