The Winner of WDWTYA? 29th January 2009 is.....

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

bulmanm!!

Well done

[brenmac]

congratulations enjoy your week brenda xxx

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Matt doesn't seem to be around, so I have drawn another name!

wawarussell!

Well done Charlotte


If Matt appears then maybe he and Charlotte can share this week and next week?!

[borobabs]

Oh dear well congratulations Charlotte

[brenmac]

where is charlotte,theres lots begging for help on research,are they putting there names down?brenda xxx

[Val and George]

I'll send Charlotte and email - see if that will find her!

[Elaine ..Spain]

In case you haven't already got it, this is the marriage registration of William and Lavinia

Marriages Sep 1886 (from freeBMD)
DUNWELL Lavinia
Pontefract volume 9c page 93
The certificate would show the names and occupations of the bride's father and groom's father which might help trace them back through the census.

[Elaine ..Spain]

The 1891 census shows the family living 35 Temple Street, Castleford, Yorkshire.
RG12; Piece: 3763; Folio 77; Page 9

William Williams c 1866 Featherstone, Yorkshire - Head
Lavina Williams c1866 Kippax, Yorkshire - Wife
Arthur Williams c 1889 Castleford, Yorkshire - Son
Ernest Williams c 1887 Castleford, Yorkshire - Son
Ann Williams c 1842 Atherstone, Warwickshire - mother
Mary Ann Williams c 1879 Normanton, Yorkshire - Sister

It also shows that William's mother Ann and his sister Mary Ann are living with them.

Williams occupation is shown as coal miner and composer of music - what a lovely combination!

[Elaine ..Spain]

What is confusing is that you say your great grandfather William Williams was Born in Llandudno, Eng. in 1869.

The census that I have found, which seems to match the marriage and children's names you have given shows that William was born in Yorkshire.

Where did you get the Llandudno information from.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Just going back throught the census tracing William

1881
RG11; Piece: 4573; Folio: 77; Page: 72

Ann Williams c 1843 Atherstone, Warwickshire - head of household - states she is married - no sign of husband!
William Williams c 1866 Featherstone, Yorkshire - occupation collier pony driver
Charles Williams c1869 Featherstone, Yorkshire
Ada Williams c1873 Tipton, Staffordshire
Louisa Williams c 1876 Tipton, Staffordshire
Mary Ann Williams c1879 Normanton

address 2 Chapel Row, Normanton

[Elaine ..Spain]

1871 census
RG10; Piece: 2997; Folio: 23; Page: 40

William Williams c1836 Oldbury, Worcestershire - occupation coalminer
Ann Williams c1842 Hatherstone, Warwickshire
William Williams c1868 Featherstone, Yorkshire
Charles Williams c 1870 Featherstone, Yorkshire

Address 60 High Street, Tipton.


but no mention of Llandudno! :(

[Chrissie Smiff]

The most likely birth looks to be this one as Featherstone came under Pontefract -

Births Mar 1868 Williams William Pontefract 9c 104

[Chrissie Smiff]

I assume from your post that you have this one?

Births Jun 1868 DUNWELL Lavinia Pontefract 9c 121

[brenmac]

WELL i have found you charlotte enjoy have pleny paper and sharpened pen.well done have a good week ,there is a welcome thread out for you onthe general board.brenda xxx

[Chrissie Smiff]

This looks a likely Lavinia and family in 1871 -

RG10; Piece: 4738; Folio: 84; Page: 20

Tom Dunwell 32 Coal Miner born Swillington Yorkshire
Harriett " 29 " Aberford "
Frances " 8 " Kippax "
John " 6 " Allerton (Something) Yorkshire
Benjamin " 4 " Kippax "
Lavinia " 2 " "
Hearnest !! " 1 " "

[Chrissie Smiff]

1881 similar but with new occupation and more children. Sorry, have to dash and haven't got time to type them all out. This is the ref -

RG11; Piece: 4593; Folio: 11; Page: 16

[wawarussell]

wawarussell needs help

Dear Elaine, It's very possible that William was born in Pontrfract. I rec. an email tht shows in 1871 William was with his parents Ann and William and a brother Charles. I've also rec. a post that the brothers were born in Yorkshire and the parents in Staffordshire. So I have no idea which is right.
Of course being from the USA, I'm not sure how close these different towns are.
Thanks for all your help
Charlotte

[wawarussell]

Williams wife Lavinia

I do have all the info on Lavinia and her family going back to the 1500's. I was able to connect with a gentlemen in England who happens to be a 2,3,or 4th cousin (I'm having a little trouble figuring that out (-: ) and he had so much info on the Dunwell family. The problem I'm having is the Williams side.

[wawarussell]

Wawarussell Williams family

I posted this before but very possibly put it in the wrong spot, so will just redo in case I goofed on the 1st reply. Granddad William Ernest Williams ( in 1 census he was listed as Ernest) had 4 siblings: Arthur 12/05/1889, Charles Hayden 08/05/1892, Gladys Evelyn 09/02/1895, Albert Edward 01/29/1898. According to a post I rec. through genes unlimited, Albert may have been born in Ireland. I'll be so happy when I finally figure out how to work on this ancestry info effectively. It's so exciting that I'm losing sleep over it. Last thing I do at night and the first thing I do in the morning. Of course in between I go to grandchilrens sports events, visit my husband in the Vets Home (67 and with advanced Alzheimers) and do scrapbooking.
Thanks again for all your help
Charlotte

[wawarussell]

Hi again Elaine, I see you are on line so thought I would let you know about my tree. I do have one with over 300 people through Ancestry. I'm now working on Genes Unlimited but only have around 100. Does FF have a place to post a tree? If so, I would sure be willing to do it.
All I can say about FF is "You guys rock" What a gift to us.
Charlotte