Can anyone read this please.

[flashieboy]

I am helping a friend with their tree and we are stuck.

Charles Dransfield was born 3rd June 1816 in Kirkheaton.

He was sent out to Tasmania on 28th November 1844 on the Equestrian (1)

He was married with two children before he was sent out.....this is the information we would like help with.

Who was his wife and children.....and what happened to them after Charles came to Tasmania.

We know about Charles' life in Tasmania...we just need some help with his life and family in England.

Here is the link to his convict record....con 14/1/25 pages 305/306

Archives Office of Tasmania – digitised record

[Lyn A]

Well, to me it looks like Wife = Ruth.
Sons = Fred & William
Brothers = John & Richard
Sister = M

I don't know what the bit is under Wife and above brothers...it looks like Father = Fr.?.......Could be superscribed d or s.

[Katarzyna]

There is a Pallots marriage by Licence - a Sarah Chapple to Charles Dransfield of Barnsley Rotherham 1834,
Can't see anything suitable on 1841 as yet.

I agree though with above tho not sure about Ruth.. What does the NP or MP mean

[It_Is_I_Leclerc]

There is a 1841 census return for a Chas Dransfield with a Ruth and child, could they be the ones
- Ancestry.co.uk
Regards
L

[WendyPusey]

It says he's a blacksmith, so could this be him in 1841?

HO107; Piece 1268; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Dewsbury; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 10; Page: 12; Line: 14; GSU roll: 464239.

[BC]

Have you looked for him and family on the 1841 census ? Also Family Search might have a record of his marriage that you can then follow through parish registers. If they are on the 1841 then follow through the others - particularly the children - especially male -but bear in mind his wife might have re-married and children could be listed as stepchildren.

[flashieboy]

I did see the 1841 census for Charles and Ruth Dransfield with the Child Anne.

The blacksmith part fits...but Ruth is only 15 that is why I wasn't sure.

[Katarzyna]

: Name Age Henry Lockwood 46 Ann Lockwood 53 Jane Lockwood 21 Amey Lockwood 17 Frank Lockwood 11 Henry Lockwood 10 Ruth Bransfield 28 Ann Bransfield 11 Judea Bransfield 10
Mistranscribed as Bransfield?

HO107; Piece: 2325; Folio: 11; Page: 14; GSU roll: 87560-87561.

Forget this !!

[flashieboy]

I thought it might say.

W...(meaning wife) Ruth

NP...maybe it is NF for no father....just guessing

B...(meaning brothers) John (or James) Richard.... William...

S...(meaning sister) Mary.

[Vivienne]

I did see the 1841 census for Charles and Ruth Dransfield with the Child Anne.

The blacksmith part fits...but Ruth is only 15 that is why I wasn't sure.

Ages were rounded down on the 1841 census, she was probably 18 or 19.

[Katarzyna]

On 1851 She is with her parents, Lockwoods.?

[Katarzyna]

I can't fin a marriage for them though

Marriages Jun 1841
HAIGH James Huddersfield 22199
Hewaid Martha Huddersfield 22199
Kaye Jonas Huddersfield 22199
LEE Charles Huddersfield 22199
LOCKWOOD Ruth Huddersfield 22199 <<<<<<<<<
MARSH Joseph Huddersfield 22199
ROBINSON Ann Huddersfield 22199

[Katarzyna]

Jun 1839

BOLLE Elizabeth Huddersfield 22225
DRANSFIELD Charles Huddersfield 22225 <<<<<<
DYSON William Huddersfield 22225
EASTWOOD Charles Huddersfield 22225
HELBY James Huddersfield 22225
ROBINSON Ruth Huddersfield 22225 <<<<<<
SPENCER Betsy Huddersfield 22225
STEPHENSON Sarah Huddersfield 2222

[flashieboy]

So do you think maybe they weren't married....tha would explain why the 1841 cesus didn't say husband wife and child.

His convict record said two children though.

[Katarzyna]

It does not give relationships on 1841 census, Flashie.

[flashieboy]

Well there goes that theory.

I am very new to this and I still find it hard to follow when abreviations are used so have I go this right.

That..Ruth Robinson is very likely the one living with Charles Dransfield in the 1841 Census...but we haven't been able to find a marriage for them...nor find the second child.

[WendyPusey]

Kat found the marriage in 1839 see post 13.

[Katarzyna]

The Ruth Robinson marriage is a possiblity.
Jun 1839 Huddersfield 22 225.

However it says 2x SONS on the digitised Record. so the 1841 and 1851 censuses posted may not be the correct ones ie with a daughter Ann??.

need to look for perhaps Fred* or William on the 1851 census or find their birth records

[Lyn A]

I have been looking for their birth records and cannot find them....maybe they weren't registered.

There is a Male born Jun qtr 1842, and the a William in MarQtr 1844, but as he was also charged with deserting his family, I would have expected the births to be before that.

[Katarzyna]

Frederick Dransfield Huddersfield 22 381 June 1844

William Henry Emmett Dransfield Huddersfield Mar 1844 unlikely as same year as above.

William Dransfield - Wortley Mar 1843 22 715

William Dransfield - Saddleworth Dec 1844 22 528 - Just possible that he could be Fredericks brother if Fred was born in April 1844 and William in Dec 1844

Wortley Saddleworth and Huddersfield are quite close to each other.

I think it says neglect of family Lyn so possibly never actually left them.