Where do they go to ???

[Patti]

Like a lot of others here I have lost a whole Family in 1881 ! the whole bunch of em, just where do they go I have looked at all of them one at a time and there is no trace, I have looked at misspelt last name etc, but nothing,its driving me nuts,its all I think about at the moment,

[Chrissie Smiff]

Have you put the details up on research Patti and let others have a look for you? I find that sometimes a fresh pair of eyes etc helps. Or maybe of course they just got missed.

[Patti]

Oh ok, if anyone could help, its James Speck born 1845 Wootton Bassett,Wilts (Father George)
Eliza his wife,born 1848 Kilkenny.
children William Joseph 1879
Jacob 1880
Jane 1887
Bridget 1891
Lena 1895
I have the census for 1851.1861.1871. and 1891.
but not the 1881,very odd.

[Chrissie Smiff]

I can't see anything that jumps out immediately Patti but if this was on the research board you might get more help. Perhaps it would be an idea to ask a mod to move it. Also, it would help if you could tell us where they were in 1871 and 1891, to save us having to look for them on the census.

[Trish@Somerset]

I reckon OH's lot that are missing were on the run from the police;)

My lot were probably beamed aboard a spaceship:D

[Elaine ..Spain]

Have moved this across to Research for you Patti.

[Chrissie Smiff]

When/Where did James and Eliza marry Patti? I can't find them on free BMD.

[Chrissie Smiff]

I found them easily in 1891 but still no sign in 1881 I'm afraid.

[Elaine ..Spain]

I can't see them in 1881 either.

[Patti]

I cant find the marriage either, I was going to send for it but have had no luck
They were living in Broad Blunsdon Wiltshire in 1871
Surfleet Essex in 1891
Swindon Gorse Hill Wiltshire in 1901

[Elaine ..Spain]

Do you know Eliza's maiden name.
Do you have the birth certificate for Jacob - if so what was the address?

[Patti]

Eliza''s name was McDonnell birth place Kilkenny Ireland,thats a mine field I have not started yet, and I have just yesterday sent for Jacobs birth Cert so as to see if it gives me any clues.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Can't see a suitable marriage. Let's hope Jacob's BC might help - let us know when it comes.

[maudarby]

In 1891 they were living at Purfleet (mistranscribed as Surfleet) nr West Thurrock and I would guess that in 1881 they were living in Brentwood, Essex.
Birthplace of 3 children.
Moggie

[Patti]

Yes I would guess they had not moved far but there is no record of them,very odd, thank you Moggie.

[Janet]

It is just possible that the whole family were in Ireland during the Census of 1881?? Maybe someone died in Kilkenny, or some big Irish family event took place!! My OH has a few missing on census lke this and we reckon they have gone back to Ireland for whatever reason. Sometimes they returned to Ireland to have children baptised in the church the parents/grandparents were baptised as English Churches were never as good as Irish churches!! I notice that Jacob was born 1880 so a baptism in 1881 in Co Kilkenny may well have been on the cards.

Was James Speck in the army and met his wife whilst on a spell of duty in Ireland? If so, could they have married there? Try oversesas section on Findmypast to see if you can find marriage cert there. Is she a Catholic and he a Protestant? If so and if she had strong family ties, then pressure may have been exerted on her to have the children baptised in a Catholic Church, preferably in Ireland!!

Otherwise they are mistranscibed somewhere!

We had a lot of trouble finding O'Sullivan in the 1881 census. It comes up as Sullivan and Osullivan mainly, so maybe there is a glitch with the Mac part of the name?

Janet

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Erm.....who is this?

MARYANNE SPECK
Event(s):
Birth: 22 MAY 1869 , Kilkenny, Ireland

Parents:
Father: JAMES SPECK
Mother: ELIZA MC DONNELL

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

They were living in Broad Blunsdon Wiltshire in 1871

I can't find them - have you got the ref?

[Patti]

Well thats a few things to be thinking about folks, thank you,yes I thought that about going to Ireland for a funeral etc, and yes he did do a stint in the Army too. I dont know who the Maryanne Speck was born in Ireland ? I will look into that one, many thanks all.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I've found a James in 1871, unmarried in Highworth (covers Broad Blunsdon), but he's born there too. Is that the one you were looking at? He's a separate person to your James when I look at the 1861 census.