Abraham Watts - can anyone find him, please, on the 1901 census?

[Joy Dean]

These are the facts that I know about him:


Birth registered Abram John F Watts March qr 1893 Marylebone District.
Married Minnie Harrison 7th June 1919 Vauxhall (registered Lambeth District)
Death registered June qr 1929 Abraham J F Watts Lambeth District

He died of TB.

He was awarded The Military Medal 3 October 1918:
'From Headquarters, Fourth Army To No 700446 Private F J Watts, London Regiment, attached French Mortar Battery
I congratulate you on the gallantry and devotion to duty for which you have been awarded The Military Medal. General Sir H S Rawlinson, Commanding Fourth Army.'

In memory card:
Frank John Watts
died June 1st 1929
aged 36
interred at Lambeth Cemetery

[Margaret in Burton]

Joy

Where do you want to find him?

[Joy Dean]

Oops, sorry, I left out the words 1901 census and went back and edited.
:o

[Margaret in Burton]

do you know his parents names?

[Elaine ..Spain]

There is a medal card on TNA with name recorded as Frank John Watts

Medal card of Watts, Frank John
Corps: London Regiment
Regiment No: 700446
Rank: Private

I wonder if this could be him in the 1901 census
RG13; Piece: 1308; Folio: 21; Page: 33.
Recorded as Frank Watts, born 1893 NK London

[Joy Dean]

No, I don't know his parents' names.

He is the father of a cousin of my Dad's. Sorry, that sounds complicated.
And I think I remember Dad's cousin (now aged 88) saying that he didn't know much about his father's family.

Yes, that is certainly his regimental number.

I think I looked at that Frank, and wondered about him, and then wondered why he wasn't being called Abraham if it was him and oh how frustrating if it were to be him because I think, from memory, it said he was a visitor; just off to check it out again.


Thanks.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Can´t see anything else. I think you might need to get his birth certificate.

[Christine in Herts]

The medal card is also on Ancestry. No address on the reverse, I'm afraid. It gives an earlier number, too, in case you come across it: 2370.

Christine

[Christine in Herts]

Or is it worth waiting until Ancestry gets the rest of the service records up and online? His might be there?

Christine

[Christine in Herts]

I've had a quick look to see if "visitor" might be an understatement, but I can't see any immediate links between that family and the name WATTS.

The head was Ernest Benjamin CROFT, married to Emily née CHALKLEY. I haven't been able to join either name to WATTS in a useful time-frame.

Christine

[Joy Dean]

Thank you for looking.

I just might have to get his certificate, just from curiosity because I want to know more.

No, I couldn't see a link either.

Silly the things one thinks; I thought, oh we used to have a post lady called Sybil Chalkley. Now if I ever see her again, I'll think of the Croft couple!

Thank you for the other regimental number.

[guybrush]

I dont know if this is a lead or not but on FreeBMD there's an Abram Watts marriage in 1892 in Marylebone.

Now here's the speculation....

If he was the first child then I've found that quite often the name of the first boy is either the same as the father or grandfather. Also generally I've found the parent's marriage to be a year before the birth of the first child. Now given all this, Abram could be the father and either Susannah Whale or Hannah Read the mother as they're on the same marriage page.

As I say, purely speculation on my part.

[Christine in Herts]

That seems like a reasonable theory, Guy. Well worth a look, I'd say!

Christine

[Joy Dean]

Thank you. I hadn't seen him before - maybe because free BMD was updated today and he hadn't been there, or maybe he had been there but I had only been looking before for an Abraham.

Methinks that I shall have to send for the birth certificate for young Abram born 1893.

Something that I hadn't mentioned before, in case they were red herrings, so to speak - I have the Bible that belonged to him (that is, F Watts, as it is written inside); inside are these names and dates:
J am (I think) Watts April 17th
Hannah " Dec 29th
Frank Watts Jan 24th.