Hi, me again. It's another tome so I'll bold the main questions, if you don't mind
I'm just about to order up some certs from the GRO and would appreciate some help about whether you think I'm ordering the right (= most likely) certs
My other paternal gt grandmother was Elizabeth Agnes Miles, father James Miles, a refreshment caterer, and living in Caledonia St, Islington at the time of her marriage to my gt grandfather, John Henry Gilkes on 30 Mar 1895. So far so good.
I have found a 1901 census for James Miles, refreshment caterer of Caledonia St, (RG13/185 folio ? p 8 [incidentally, if I've saved off the images as here, where on the image do I find the folio no.?]) with his wife Martha (born Dover) and younger sons, William and Sidney.
I've also found an 1881 census for James Miles, coffee stall keeper, wife Martha born Dover, with a whole host of children including Elizabeth (RG11/399 folio ? p 40). The eldest child, Thomas, is 17 in 1881. 1871 shows the same family, with Elizabeth aged 2 (RG10/265 folio ? p 40)
I've not been able to find the family in either 1861 or 1891, however - can anyone help?
So now I'm thinking it would be useful to get a birth certificate for Elizabeth and marriage cert for James and Martha.
Re the marriage, of course there are lots of marriages of various James Mileses, but only 1 I've found to a Martha (Martha Harriet Haley) Q4 1860 Shoreditch 1c 323, although it would make James only about 16 at the time of his marriage. Before I shell out my hard-earned, do you think this is the most likely bet? Or can anyone else find a more likely one?
Re the birth, Elizabeth gave her age as 24 at the time of her marriage. Along with various census ages, this gives a dob of 1869-71. I've found births for 2 Elizabeth Mileses with Agnes in their name born around the right time:
Elizabeth Agnes M Miles, born Poplar (censuses all give pob as Islington) Q4 1869 1c 620
Agnes Elizabeth Miles, born Islington Q2 1869 1b 285
Any other Elizabeth Mileses born around the right time are either way out of area and/or have no Agnes in their name
I'm inclined to think it's more likely that her names were mixed up on birth or marriage than that the pob was wrong and hence to order the Islington cert - would you agree?
Thanks a million again in advance!
I'm just about to order up some certs from the GRO and would appreciate some help about whether you think I'm ordering the right (= most likely) certs
My other paternal gt grandmother was Elizabeth Agnes Miles, father James Miles, a refreshment caterer, and living in Caledonia St, Islington at the time of her marriage to my gt grandfather, John Henry Gilkes on 30 Mar 1895. So far so good.
I have found a 1901 census for James Miles, refreshment caterer of Caledonia St, (RG13/185 folio ? p 8 [incidentally, if I've saved off the images as here, where on the image do I find the folio no.?]) with his wife Martha (born Dover) and younger sons, William and Sidney.
I've also found an 1881 census for James Miles, coffee stall keeper, wife Martha born Dover, with a whole host of children including Elizabeth (RG11/399 folio ? p 40). The eldest child, Thomas, is 17 in 1881. 1871 shows the same family, with Elizabeth aged 2 (RG10/265 folio ? p 40)
I've not been able to find the family in either 1861 or 1891, however - can anyone help?
So now I'm thinking it would be useful to get a birth certificate for Elizabeth and marriage cert for James and Martha.
Re the marriage, of course there are lots of marriages of various James Mileses, but only 1 I've found to a Martha (Martha Harriet Haley) Q4 1860 Shoreditch 1c 323, although it would make James only about 16 at the time of his marriage. Before I shell out my hard-earned, do you think this is the most likely bet? Or can anyone else find a more likely one?
Re the birth, Elizabeth gave her age as 24 at the time of her marriage. Along with various census ages, this gives a dob of 1869-71. I've found births for 2 Elizabeth Mileses with Agnes in their name born around the right time:
Elizabeth Agnes M Miles, born Poplar (censuses all give pob as Islington) Q4 1869 1c 620
Agnes Elizabeth Miles, born Islington Q2 1869 1b 285
Any other Elizabeth Mileses born around the right time are either way out of area and/or have no Agnes in their name
I'm inclined to think it's more likely that her names were mixed up on birth or marriage than that the pob was wrong and hence to order the Islington cert - would you agree?
Thanks a million again in advance!
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