Is this the right one?

[jennie]

I have a Alexander Ireland born 1843c his parents are called David Alexander Ireland and Ms A Roberts (from Alexanders marriage cert) the occupation is Bleacher but the only one that i can find on the census (scotland Page: 9) but it says on here that he was a stater googled a little but can't be sure are these likely to be the same people?

[Uncle John]

Jennie - can you give some census dates and details please, so we can take a look. The Ancestry transcription of Scottish censuses can sometimes be a bit fanciful, but it is a useful (and free!) starting point before laying out cash on the ScotlandsPeople images.

[jennie]

Hi Uncle John sorry not very clear was i.
It is the 1861 census Alexander born 1844 Montrose is living with his parents David and Ann. Ed 15 Line 8 Page 9. They are living at 10 Orange Lane.

[KiteRunner]

I have a Alexander Ireland born 1843c his parents are called David Alexander Ireland and Ms A Roberts (from Alexanders marriage cert) the occupation is Bleacher but the only one that i can find on the census (scotland Page: 9) but it says on here that he was a stater googled a little but can't be sure are these likely to be the same people?

Jennie, does it really say "Ms A Roberts" on the marriage cert? Only the title "Ms" wasn't used that long ago so it seems more likely that it says "MS Roberts", i.e. Maiden Surname Roberts, so I'm not sure where the "A" comes into it? Does it not give her first name? Is there any way you could post up the bit of his marriage cert that shows his mother's name if you can't quite make it out?

[jennie]

Hi Kite the certificate isn't in my belonging it has been kindly emailed to me but the image can't be seen so they have transcribed what they can from it. this is what has been written
Alexander Ireland 21 Labourer usual residence 60 Murray St Montrose parents David Alexander Occ Bleacher Ms A Roberts

Nowe the thing is when i look at other peoples who have done this part of the tree they all have Alexander Ireland and Isobel Urquhart as parents, which doesn't add up as thats not the names on the certificate.

[Uncle John]

Right, found the 1861 (Ancestry transcription).

10 Orange Lane Montrose Forfarshire
David Ireland age 44 salmon fisher born Foredean, Kincardineshire

Ann Ireland age 44 Leanndrys (?laundress perhaps) born Montrose

Alexander Ireland aged 17 stater (could be Slater) born Montrose.

[Uncle John]

In 1851 they are at 7 River Street Montrose. Father must be at sea.

Ann Ireland age 36, Head, (no occupation stated) born Montrose

Alexander Ireland age 7 born Montrose

[jennie]

Arh so i have read it wrong and read David as Slater grrrrr now why didn't i realise that hours ago.
So i am more than likely wrong to think it is this family then?
Now i just hope the people i have sent messages to asking how they got Isobel Urqhart can give me a good reason, i think this Scottish side is going to drive me insane.
Thanks Uncle John.

[jennie]

So when their son (maybe their son) got married 24.06.1864 his father was a Bleacher from which i can work out from google is either a bleacher or cloth or flour or something to do with staduim stands. David would more than likely of been a fisherman bit of a strange jump in careers isn't it?

[Uncle John]

And 1871, at 57 Murray Street Montrose

Alexander Ireland age 27, baker born Montrose

Jean Ireland age 25, (wife) born St. Cyrus, Kincardineshire

Margaret A R Ireland aged 5 born Montrose

David Ireland age 2, Montrose

Wilhelmina Ireland, age 1 month, Montrose

[jennie]

Thats what i have for 1871 as well as my great grandad Alexander (1890) was siblings to these.

[Uncle John]

So is your marriage of Alexander to Jean something, or is the wrong family?

[jennie]

It is to Jane Johnston/e I belive this is the right family though because on the 1901 census where my g grandad is he has siblings called:

Maggie who is 15 which ties in with the 1871 one you have got

As for Whilhelmina i have no idea where she went, i am going to have a look as on the 1901 census there are some children who are older but aren't on the census with parents so this might help a little.

[jennie]

1881 ED3 line 20 Page 6

Alexander 36 Baker
Jane J 35
Mary A R 14
David 12
Helan 7
Jemina J 5
Alexander 3 (not my great grandad i am guessing this Alexander passed away before 1890)
Charles J 1 month

[jennie]

I think Mary and Margaret and Maggie are all one person as the 71 and 81 census have the same middle initials.

[Uncle John]

In 1881 the parents David and Ann Ireland are at 7 Victoria St Montrose on their own.

[Uncle John]

Now found them in Monifieth in 1881! Alx isn't easy to find! This is the same as your list. I guess that Wilhelmina died.

Alx Ireland 36
Jane J Ireland 35
Mary A R Ireland 14
David Ireland 12
Helan Ireland 7
Jemina J Ireland 5
Alx Ireland 3
Charles J Ireland 1 Month

[jennie]

So it's not me going crazy thinking he can't belong to a David and Ann then, thats a good start lol.

[Uncle John]

And 1891, still in Monifieth. Alexander is now an unemployed baker. But they are still breeding! Alexander aged 1 must be the one you are looking for.

Alexander Ireland 46
Jane J Ireland 45
Jamima J Ireland 16
Charles J Ireland 10
George J Ireland 8
Margaret H Ireland 6
Jane Ireland 4
Alexander Ireland 1

[jennie]

I think by 1891 David had passed away as Ann is on the census on her own as a pauper 123 Murray Street.

Then 1901 i can't find either of them.