Help with death, please?

[samesizedfeet]

I've been trying to sort out some families using the 1911 census and think I have found (in a very roundabout way by using 1901) a previously unknown child who was hidden due to his mother remarrying.

Only problem is I can't find a death for the father who is my connection.

Thomas Henry Fenton born 1865 Leeds

1871 Deptford
1881 Holborn, Middlesex
1891 Greenwich

married 1890 Wandsworth

Alice Phoebe Underwood born c 1870 Battersea


Alice Phebe Fenton marries Charles Walter McCabe in Sep Q 1899 in Wandsworth

On 1901 census Alice P Mc Cabe and Charles W Mc Cabe are living in Croydon with;

Gilbert A Fenton "McBabe" born c1892 in New Cross

(most likely match is a Gilbert Audrey Fenton, Jun 1892)


So - in theory Thomas Henry Fenton should die sometime between Sep 1891 and Sep 1899). I can't spot him on FreeBMD and I've done a trawl of the indexes with the same result, but I've been up since 5.30am and done a 10 hour shift at work so I may have missed it.

Can anyone spot what I'm missing?

[samesizedfeet]

forgot to say my pleases and thank yous :o:o

[Wor canny Lass]

The only death I can find using Ancestry is -

Henry Fenton, aged 65, death registered Jan - Mar qtr 1893 in Paddington, London, ref 1a, 58.

I don't know whether this is any help.

Anne

[samesizedfeet]

Bit old I think Anne - but thank you for trying.

I'm going to have to leave this lot on the back burner i think as I've been through the indexes again and still can't find him

[Jill on the A272]

Nothing for 1898-9.

[KiteRunner]

There's a Thomas Fenton death Sep 1893 Rochford, age 27, which I suppose could possibly be him. But not very likely.

[Muggins in Sussex]

Hi, Zoe

Family Relatives has 3 Thomas Henry Fenton deaths - all look wrong!

1. Thomas Henry Fenton d. Dewsbury 4th q 1868 aged 0
2. Thomas Henry Fenton d. Chorlton 4th q 1869 aged 0
3. Thomas Henry Fenton d. Farnham 4th q 1892 aged 50

The closest I can see without the Henry is

Thomas Fenton d. Rochford 3rd q aged 27

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Ah-ha! lol

The Times Monday, Jul 24, 1899; pg. 16; Issue 35889; col A


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[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Also, there is a good match for Thomas in 1911, though I can't see him in 1901.

[Elaine ..Spain]

TNA - Divorce papers
National Archives

[samesizedfeet]

oooooh - haven't you all been busy.

I didn't think of divorce. I was trying to work out deaths as 1911 says my 3 x great grandmother had 6 children, 3 dead.

Harry Fenton I know died in 1899

My 2 great grandfather Frederick died in 1912 and Nelly died in 1940

SO that leave 3 possibles for having died before 1911.

Kate Fenton born 1863 (last sighted in 1891, Actress, boarding in Lancashire)

Thomas Henry Fenton born 1865 (now: last sighting divorce in 1899)

Henrietta Fenton born 1875 (last sighting 1901 census in Croydon, possible marriage in 1908 in Steyning)

And I've also just noticed that the mother Kate Fenton says on the 1911 that she's a widow - so that now narrows down the time frame for when hubbie Charles died. It was previously any time from 1901 census up to 1917 when Kate died with "widow" on her death cert.

I knew I should have foregone the lie in to get my teeth into this some more

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I wondered about this one?

Deaths Sep 1925
FENTON Thomas H 62 Kensington 1a 114

The 1911 entry I came across was in Wandsworth, b Leeds.

[samesizedfeet]

Merry,

Just downloaded that. After an error with one in Kensington.

Definitely him as he's a boot salesman.

Thrown up another humdinger though - living with him is a Rignald (sic) Fenton "brother" born Nottingham c1896

I really really hate this lot. Nothing can ever be simple

[samesizedfeet]

I had another death in my tree for him in the 40s - which got deleted last night when I was playing around with the dates to prove my theory. Now I'll need to find the original notebook from when I did the search

That one in 1925 could be the guy who's 1911 I just downloaded as he's a Thomas Henry from Kensington

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

That one in 1925 could be the guy who's 1911 I just downloaded as he's a Thomas Henry from Kensington

Yes, I agree.



Does Rignald look like Ronald or Roland?

[KiteRunner]

Could be Reginald.

[samesizedfeet]

Yes, I agree.



Does Rignald look like Ronald or Roland?

nope - definitely looks like Rignald.

Their relationships were originally down as Boarders and this is crossed through and then Head and Brother written in.

It's written in the same handwriting as that defining the occupations i.e. the enumerator - so there's a good chance he's just made it up. WHy he didn't assume father and son though I don't know.

They're the only people in this household although there is another record for the same address so they probably are boarding.

He could only be a brother through father Charles Fenton as Thomas' mother would have been 56 when Rignald was born. That's a possibility as Charles was a travelling actor.

'Tis a mystery. I wonder if the divorce petition filed by his wife may reveal who Rignald is and if he's anything to do with her wanting shot of hubby

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

He could only be a brother through father Charles Fenton as Thomas' mother would have been 56 when Rignald was born. That's a possibility as Charles was a travelling actor.

Yes, where IS Charles in 1901 and what was his middle name? Henry??

[samesizedfeet]

in 1901 Charles is in Manchester as a boarder - Charles H Fanton

RG13; Piece: 3746; Folio: 43; Page: 6

telling wild fibs about his age. He's pretending he's 55 when he should be about 65 (not the worst discrepancy I've seen though)

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I see he's quite keen on using his middle initial though there are no deaths 1901-1911 with it. I suppose if he wasn't at home when he died whoever registered the death might have missed off this useful bit of info?

There are a few plain Charles' to chose from and that Charles Enos who possibly could be eliminated?