Thorpe

[scottishMist]

Hi all
I am Looking for any Information for a Peter Thorpe
He got Married in Jul 20 1829 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire.
I don't know when or where he was born I know he died in Manchester, Lancashire. 1841
All my family searching has been in Scotland so don't even know where to start in England any help would be greatful
Cheers Jan

[Mary from Italy]

Hi ScottishMist, and welcome to FTF.

You probably already have the following information, but I'm posting it as a starting point.

Marriage (IGI, extracted):

PETER THORP
Male

Marriages:
Spouse: MARGARETT BURNETT
Marriage: 20 JUL 1829 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Deaths Jun 1841
Thorpe Peter Manchester 20 396

[Mary from Italy]

Births Jun 1841
Thorpe Jonathan Manchester 20 485

Baptism (IGI, extracted):

JONATHAN THORPE
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 25 APR 1841 Saint Andrew Ancoats, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: PETER THORPE
Mother: MARGT.

[Mary from Italy]

1841 census:

Margaret Thorp, washerwoman, aged 40, born in Ireland, is living in Garden St., Manchester, with Andrew Thorpe 10, Fanny Thorpe 8, and Jonathan Thorpe, 2 months, all born in Lancashire.

The census was taken on 6th June 1841, so Jonathan would have been born around the beginning of April, and his father Peter died in the April-June quarter of 1841.

Unfortunately, 1829 Manchester Cathedral marriages aren't on the LancsBMD site yet.

Do you have details of the marriage in 1829? Were the witnesses members of either family?

I can't see Margaret and children after 1841 - do you know what happened to them?

[scottishMist]

Hello Mary
I do have that info But sadly I can't find any more info and I don't even know where to start to look
thanks for taking the time to find that info
Cheers Jan

[scottishMist]

Hi Mary
Peter son Andrew is my GG Grandfather he move to Scotlland
I don't know what happened to the family that lived in Manchester
Cheers Jan
I have no info on the Married just the date

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I can't see Margaret and children after 1841 - do you know what happened to them?

1851:

HO107; Piece: 2226; Folio: 644; Page: 65;

1861:

RG9; Piece: 2932; Folio: 98; Page: 46

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Marriage
Name: Jonathan Thorp
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 153

Spouse Ellen Benson

1871:

RG10; Piece: 4031; Folio: 143; Page: 51

[scottishMist]

1851:

HO107; Piece: 2226; Folio: 644; Page: 65;

1861:

RG9; Piece: 2932; Folio: 98; Page: 46

Hi Merry Monty Montgomery
Sorry I don't know what that is
Cheers Jan

[Mary from Italy]

The death certificate will give you Peter's age (as known to the informant).

You can order it online from the GRO for £7 here:

Registration Services - Certificate Ordering Service

It will only tell you his occupation, address, place, date and cause of death, and informant's name (unlike a Scottish cert).

The marriage entry should give the ages of both parties and the witnesses's names. Not sure if the parents' names would have been given in 1829. We have one or two members from Manchester who may be able to do a look-up for you; alternatively, you should be able to e-mail the local Records Office to ask for details.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

1881:

In 1881 there are two Jonathan Thorpes, same age both married to Ellen and living in Manchester! One couple is the people whose marriage I posted in the last post as they have Benson's living with them. The other couple.........isn't! lol

I don't know which is the right Jonathan. It's odd as the "other" Jonathan hasn't appeared until now. Could be one man with a double life! lol

RG11; Piece: 3986; Folio: 64; Page: 15

RG11; Piece: 3980; Folio: 60; Page: 2

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

1891

RG12; Piece: 3187; Folio 57; Page 16;

I think the couple without children are the more likely to be the right ones (as Jonathan's age is sticking to 1841 better). That would mean the marriage I posted before is wrong.

Here is another marriage to Ellen Bywater:

Name: Jonathan Thorpe
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 365

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I have gone back and found the other Jonathan on earlier censuses now. He was just out of the age range I was looking at.

[Mary from Italy]

Well done, Merry. No wonder I couldn't find them - I've just noticed I accidentally searched for Thorpe* instead of Thorp* :(

Hi Merry Monty Montgomery
Sorry I don't know what that is

Merry's quoted the census references from Ancestry.

If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry, it might be worth your while taking out the 14-day free trial subscription.
You have to give your credit card details, but if you cancel before the 14 days are up, you don't pay anything.

Genealogy and Family History Records - Ancestry.co.uk

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

It looks like by 1901 he had remarried to Amelia Freeman:

Marriage:
Name: Jonathan Thorpe
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 371

1901:

RG13; Piece: 3743; Folio: 5; Page: 1

[Mary from Italy]

I was hoping there might be an uncle or in-law with Margaret and family, to give us a lead to where Peter was born, but no such luck so far.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Oop, sorry Jan I'm watching Dragon's Den whilst posting and didn't see your posts! I was getting carried away! lol

[scottishMist]

Hi Mary and Merry
I will try the GRO
You can order it online from the GRO for £7 here:
Registration Services - Certificate Ordering Service
but if you cancel before the 14 days are up, you don't pay anything.
I don't think I could do that
thanks for all your help
Cheers Jan

[scottishMist]

Hi Merry
I'm watching Dragon's Den same here
Why have you Merry in you member name I am searching the Merry's from Coatbridge
Cheers Jan

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

On GR I used to use my real name (which ends in Montgomery).

At work I would get called Monty for obvious reasons (which I actually hated!).

When I changed my board name on GR I was going to be Monty Montgomery, but added the Merry because I am most of the time! lol