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  • Ireland - post WW1, pre partition?

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    Do you know if his WW1 army record has survived?

    If not, do you know his service number?

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      • #4
        If his number turns out to be 53987 then it's not looking hopeful his record has survived :o

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        • #5
          Remember that all records post 1921/2 will still be with the MOD, so even if his war records have not survived, it may be that his pension and other details have survived. and you will either have to wait patiently for their release or prove next of kin and apply to the Glasgow address with £30 to see if they have any other details. If you know which regiment he was in, you may be able to find details of regimental whereabouts by googling or going to TNA at Kew. You are aware that from 1918 to 1922 was a bad time to be a soldier in Ireland due to the uprising and eventual civil war. The English soldiers were known at this time as the "Black and Tans" and had been asked by the British Govenment in 1918 to help out the RIC (Royal Irish Constabulary). You can google for more information as it is very contentious subject even today. If you had been a soldier at this time in Ireland you would have kept very quiet about it, especially in the West of Ireland, when you visited.

          Janet
          Last edited by Janet; 20-11-08, 14:31.

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          • #6
            Just to clarify a point Janet made. The term Black and Tans did not apply to regular British soldiers.

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            • #7
              Black and Tans, "Auxis"/ordinary soldiers, unfortunately the brutality at this particular time was the same, as all the civilians of Cork at this time knew only too well.

              "The government in London responded to the Irish uprising, declaring both the Dail and Sinn Fein illegal. They also tolerated ‘reinforcements’ going to Ireland to assist the Royal Irish Constabulary. These ‘reinforcements’ were the Auxiliary Division (the ‘Auxis’) and the ‘Black and Tans’. The ‘Black and Tans’ was made up of former soldiers, many of whom had experienced fighting in World War One. The ‘Auxis’ was exclusively made up of ex-army officers. Both units were involved in acts of extreme brutality against civilians which only served to make those who wanted independence even more keen on it. Violence led to more violence and it was clear that a political solution was needed if the escalating violence was to end. This came with the so-called ‘Treaty with Sinn Fein’ of 1921."

              This is still a very difficult and sensitive issue, even today, as so many families were split by the events of 1916 to 1922, but most particularly by the events that took place in the name of the British Army from 1918 to 1921.

              The terrible atrocities committed in the name of the British Army have always been admitted by the British Government.

              Anyone with Irish roots should read the history for themselves, preferably a version written by an Historian.

              Janet
              Last edited by Janet; 23-11-08, 17:00.

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