Mark & Frances Overment

[Phoenix]

Frances is one of my Skillings, born Gt Ryburgh who marries Mark Overment in the 1850s. I can follow the family through to 1881.

Could sks with an Ancestry sub tell me whether Mark is a widow on the later censuses (when he moves to Yorkshire) and whether the Frances who ends up in Rotherham is a complete red herring or not?

[Elaine ..Spain]

1891 census
RG12; Piece: 3944; Folio 15; Page 24
transcribed as Mark Dearment, born 1831 Draughton, Norfolk, England
listed as married, occupation milkman.
living with son John

Is this the right one?

[Elaine ..Spain]

1901 census
RG13; Piece: 4463; Folio: 28; Page: 4.
Mark Overnment b 1827 Dougton, Norfolk
listed as married
living with son Robert

[Elaine ..Spain]

1901
RG13; Piece: 4392; Folio: 177; Page: 20.
Francis Overment b 1839 Norfolk
listed as widow
living with

William H Johnson c 1873 Rotherham, c Head
Elizabeth Johnson c 1876 Nk, Norfolk, Wife
and family

Frances is listed as mother in law.

[Phoenix]

Yep, that's the right Mark, thank you Elaine. And if he says he's married still, then the Frances who moves to Rotherham is probably his wife. I just wonder why she's not with him? It looks as he is solidly settled.

[Elaine ..Spain]

I see on the 1881 census Mark and Frances have a daughter Elizabeth born 1867 Norfolk - so it looks as if the Frances in 1901 is not a red herring!

[Phoenix]

Ooh, thank you! Mark & Frances had a daughter Elizabeth born c 1876, so it does look like the right people. I wonder if Elizabeth was just about to have a baby? But then Frances dies in Rotherham, so it looks as if the arrangement became permanent.

[Joan of Archives]

I know this won't help much but I am convinced these are their daughters Jemima & Margaret, both state they were born Rotherham!

1891 :

RG12; Piece: 3455; Folio 82; Page 4

[Phoenix]

It does, though, Joan! Frances' mum was called Jemima, so that looks like a clincher.

[Joan of Archives]

I wonder why they say they were born in Rotherham though? How strange, unless Frances told them they were, lol!

[Joan of Archives]

I wonder? Frances in 1891 ?

RG12; Piece: 3846; Folio 122; Page 27

Thomas Brown single Labourer in Iron Plate mill 42
Frances Onement Housekeeper 53
Elizabeth Onement daughter Day girl ? (mistranscribed as Brown) 15

It is definitely spelt like that, but maybe the enumerator got the spelling wrong?

[Phoenix]

Heck, I've just noticed the time! Must get home now!

Thank you for your efforts ladies. I pursued an interesting cul de sac as there were no fewer than THREE Jemimas: Frances had a daughter who died and her (I assume) bil named his daughter Jemima at the same time. I was trying to work out how someone dead could also marry!

[Trish61]

Hi Phoenix.
Hope you pick this up...
Have only just joined FTF but found your old posts re Frances Skillings. She is my Gt Gt Grandmother - One of Mark and Frances's children (John) married Dinah Woodhouse, their daughter Gladys married an Ernest Frederick Bone, and one of their sons was my Dad (William). I have a bit of informaiton on one of Frances's siblings who was a bit of a bad lad and emigrated to US for a fresh start.
Hopefully you are still using FTF and we can compare notes!
Trish

[Elaine ..Spain]

Hi Trish, welcome to the Forum.
Phoenix hasn't logged into the forum for some time. I'll send her a message to let her know you would like to make contact.