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This one has had me totally log-jammed for three years and I'm desperate to make a breakthrough.
My family name (Young) is rock solid back to the marriage of WILLIAM YOUNG in 1884 but I can't go back any further and would really, really, really appreciate some help (feel my desperation !!!).
Marriage Certificate details are ..........
Place: St Saviours Church, Paddington, Middlesex
Date: 12/05/1884
Names: William Young & Sarah Ann Duffin
Ages: William - 27 years, Sarah - 26 years
Occupation: William - Labourer
Address: William - 17 Shirland Road
Father: William - Edward Young
Father's Occupation: Labourer
Witnesses: Sarah Anne Young & Joseph Reed
I can find no pre-1884 census return linking a William with a father named Edward.
There is a 4 year old William on the 1861 census with a visitor called Rebecca Young who shows as a widow b.1821 Yorkshire. There was also an Edward William Young who died 1860 in Westminster - but I can find no marriage of Edward & Rebecca and wouldn't edward show as "Deceased" on the marriage certificate ?
The only Rebecca Young that fits the data appears to be in County Durham and married to a Thomas AND appears on the 1861 census at home ...... could she be on the census twice ? This Rebecca does have a daughter called Sarah Anne Young too so fits with the witness on the marriage certificate.
Other clues might be that on all census returns after his marriage, William named his place of birth as "London" or "London, Middlesex". He never gave any specific place which is unusual. I believe he was a servant at the time of his marriage - his wife Sarah definitely was and I think they met locally as servants.
Additional Notes ........
The Sarah ANNE Young on the marriage certificate appears to be a definite Anne with an "e" rather than just the way it was spelt by the person who wrote it as Sarah ANN Duffin is clearly spelt without an "e" on the same certificate.
William has consistantly given his year of birth as 1857 and whilst I accept that you have to be prepared to look either side, he certainly seems to have no doubt that was his year of birth. With that in mind, the only "solid" four year old William on the 1861 census was the one with "visitor" Rebecca (b1821 Yorkshire). This William also cites his birthplace as "London".
Rebecca looks interesting but doesn't appear either before or after the 1861 census unless she is the one married to Thomas in Durham and who appears on the 1861 twice therefore. Both Rebeccas match on year of birth, area of birth, Thomas is a tailor and she is visiting as a bootbinder and rebecca has a daughter called Sarah ANNE Young but ...... where has London born William come from and why does she show as a Widow at the London address but clearly alive and kicking up in Durham ? Is William related but not hers ?
There are "London" born c.1857 Williams on the 1871 census either as domestic servants or in Common Lodging Houses. There are also "London" born c.1857 Williams on the 1881 census in similar domestic employment and/or in Common Lodging Houses. These could be him ...... without parents.
Anyway, all very frustrating and I would really appreciate any help and/or advice on this one.
My family name (Young) is rock solid back to the marriage of WILLIAM YOUNG in 1884 but I can't go back any further and would really, really, really appreciate some help (feel my desperation !!!).
Marriage Certificate details are ..........
Place: St Saviours Church, Paddington, Middlesex
Date: 12/05/1884
Names: William Young & Sarah Ann Duffin
Ages: William - 27 years, Sarah - 26 years
Occupation: William - Labourer
Address: William - 17 Shirland Road
Father: William - Edward Young
Father's Occupation: Labourer
Witnesses: Sarah Anne Young & Joseph Reed
I can find no pre-1884 census return linking a William with a father named Edward.
There is a 4 year old William on the 1861 census with a visitor called Rebecca Young who shows as a widow b.1821 Yorkshire. There was also an Edward William Young who died 1860 in Westminster - but I can find no marriage of Edward & Rebecca and wouldn't edward show as "Deceased" on the marriage certificate ?
The only Rebecca Young that fits the data appears to be in County Durham and married to a Thomas AND appears on the 1861 census at home ...... could she be on the census twice ? This Rebecca does have a daughter called Sarah Anne Young too so fits with the witness on the marriage certificate.
Other clues might be that on all census returns after his marriage, William named his place of birth as "London" or "London, Middlesex". He never gave any specific place which is unusual. I believe he was a servant at the time of his marriage - his wife Sarah definitely was and I think they met locally as servants.
Additional Notes ........
The Sarah ANNE Young on the marriage certificate appears to be a definite Anne with an "e" rather than just the way it was spelt by the person who wrote it as Sarah ANN Duffin is clearly spelt without an "e" on the same certificate.
William has consistantly given his year of birth as 1857 and whilst I accept that you have to be prepared to look either side, he certainly seems to have no doubt that was his year of birth. With that in mind, the only "solid" four year old William on the 1861 census was the one with "visitor" Rebecca (b1821 Yorkshire). This William also cites his birthplace as "London".
Rebecca looks interesting but doesn't appear either before or after the 1861 census unless she is the one married to Thomas in Durham and who appears on the 1861 twice therefore. Both Rebeccas match on year of birth, area of birth, Thomas is a tailor and she is visiting as a bootbinder and rebecca has a daughter called Sarah ANNE Young but ...... where has London born William come from and why does she show as a Widow at the London address but clearly alive and kicking up in Durham ? Is William related but not hers ?
There are "London" born c.1857 Williams on the 1871 census either as domestic servants or in Common Lodging Houses. There are also "London" born c.1857 Williams on the 1881 census in similar domestic employment and/or in Common Lodging Houses. These could be him ...... without parents.
Anyway, all very frustrating and I would really appreciate any help and/or advice on this one.
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