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    Please could you give your opinions on the date of this photo and, more importantly really, the ages of the children and the youngest possible age you would give for the man.

    Thanks for looking!
    Last edited by Merry Monty Montgomery; 14-11-08, 19:58.

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    Heavy beards are so ageing (OH is 53 & had one like that until Monday when he pruned it right back) over 55 definitely, as for the boys about 9 on the left & 11 on the right, but of course they could be small for their ages.

    Are you able to read the lettering on the sailor's hat? The studio doesn't appear to have been too swish, the bare boards are showing & the carpet is a bit rucked up.

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    • #3
      Boys aged about 8 and 11.

      Man could be as young as 50 I suppose?

      Not too good on dates of men's clothes but I would guess about 1890 to 1900???

      Anne

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      • #4
        You all think about the same as me.

        A contact sent me the photo, and if the boys are, say, 8 and 11/12 (there's nearly four years between them - IF they are who she says they are).....then the photo would be around 1880, which I think may be OK, but the man (their father) would only be 45 and I think that's pushing things too far!

        What do you think?

        Oh, the hat ribbon says HMS CANADA.

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        • #5
          The only other option is that she has chosen the wrong pair of sons.

          The man died in Dec 1899 aged 64. By that time his youngest sons (he had four sons altogether) would have been 10 and 15. If in the photo the man was, say, 62 and the boys were 8 and 13, would that be a better alternative?

          *clutches straws* lol

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          • #6
            I think thats more likely.

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            • #7
              This is even more convincing!

              My contact knows who these poeple are. this photo was taken in 1893 and the sailor is supposed to be the older boy from the first photo.



              However, I don't think it's the same person. Of course, if the first photo is of the sailor's younger brothers, then it isn't the same person! lol

              What do you think?

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              • #8
                Yes - that seems perfectly possible to me. You did ask for a youngest possible age for the man. 62 seems more probable, although the beard hides a lot!

                Anne

                Ooops posted at the same time! The sailor and the boy may well be the same person or brothers but clearly completely different in age. The sailor looks about 17 or 18 to me.

                Anne
                Last edited by Anne in Carlisle; 14-11-08, 22:12.

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                • #9
                  The second photo is definitely 1893 and the sailor would have been 19 in that shot.

                  I now realise I've made an error! lol

                  If the first photo has the same boy in it, he would be the younger child, not the elder one - In 1880 he would have been 8 year old!

                  I am thinking the mystery photo is later and is of the sailor's younger brothers, mainly because the dad looks nearer 60ish than 45!

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                  • #10
                    Hi Merry

                    I'm not very good at dating things so I don't usually join in on here but you have been so much help to me and others in the past that when I saw your name I wanted to see if I could help. I think the man looks more like 60 than 45, mainly because of his hair. In the other photo the boy doesn't look at all like the younger boy. He does look similar to the older boy, so it's probably a family likeness and you could very well be right about it being the other two sons.

                    I hope you don't mind, I am no expert at renovation and I'm sure Rachel etc would be happy to do them for you but I took the liberty of removing the crease from the mother and son one.



                    Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                    • #11
                      Oh lol Chrissie!!! I thought I was going crazy for a minute!!

                      I just thought I would get rid of the creases on that photo, but hadn't got round to starting. I was thinking I must do it when I opened this thread, but then I found, as if my by magic, it had been done!

                      Thanks very much indeed!!

                      I have just written to my contact asking what she thinks about the boys being the last two of the family.........

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                        • #13
                          I think the Norfolk jacket was popular before the Edwardian era too. Wasn't it made fashionable by Edward VII when he was Prince of Wales?

                          My contact now says the man is definitely the one who died in 1899 as she has other named photos of him. The questionmark is over the identity of the boys.

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                          • #14
                            Thought i would have a go at doing this picture

                            Regards
                            Mattchew! :D

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                            • #15
                              I suspect the photo is post 1900 the childs sailor suit just does not seem right for the 1880s.

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                              • #16
                                Is it odd that the smaller boy is wearing long trousers ?

                                or does it indicate that he was indeed a Naval Cadet of some kind and not just wearing the suit as a fashion item ?
                                Last edited by Rachel Scand; 07-03-09, 12:01.
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                                • #17
                                  Merry, is she SURE.........

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                                  • #18
                                    It's quite possible that he was a navy cadat on HMS Victory.

                                    Taken from Wikipedia -
                                    In 1889, Victory was fitted up as a Naval School of Telegraphy. She soon became a proper Signal School, and signal ratings from ships paying off were sent to Victory, instead of the barracks, for a two-month training course. The School remained on Victory until 1904, when training was transferred temporarily to HMS Hercules, and in 1906 the whole School was moved to a permanent establishment at the Chatham Royal Naval Barracks.

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                                    • #19
                                      The thing about him being a navy cadet, forgive me, but he's a bit scruffy....:o

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Just Barbara View Post
                                        Merry, is she SURE.........
                                        Well the way it was left was that the photo of the woman and young man was taken in 1893 as it has the date and their names on the back in the handwriting of the woman.

                                        The other photo is of a man who died in 1899, probably with his youngest two sons, taken in 1897ish.

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