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  • A real challenge - can anyone find them please?

    This is probably a tricky one, but here goes!

    I am trying to find Henry William JONES (sorry!) he was the brother of Edward Jones born Yoxford Suffolk. I don't know where Henry was born, but it wasn't Wales

    In 1842 Henry William marries Mary Ann Freeman in Yoxford, then they both disappear.

    I can't be sure if Henry William is in fact William JONES on the 1841 census, but this is the family I think he belongs to :

    Class: HO107; Piece 1017; Book: 12; Folio: 15; Page: 23

    Susanna (b Dawlish c1797) was married to William JONES who was a coachman although I have never found the marriage; the first daughter was born in 1818, Emma JONES in Hambrook Gloucestershire. After that a few were born in Starcross/Kenton, Devon & the youngest ones in Yoxford, about 10 in total at the last count, without including those that died young! She was a school teacher so maybe she filled the class with her own brood, lol!

    Anyway, I am guessing if Henry William is William that the date he was born should put him around 1825 ish. The trouble is they travelled so far that he could have been born anywhere between Devon & Suffolk :o

    If anyone can find Susanna & William's marriage & the whereabouts of Henry William & Mary Ann I would be eternally grateful!
    Thanks

    Last edited by Joan of Archives; 25-10-08, 19:33.

    Joanie

  • #2
    I don't suppose William and Susanna had any children who were born after 1837?
    KiteRunner

    Every five years or so I look back on my life and I have a good... laugh"
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    • #3
      I doubt William would have been born as late as 1830 if he married in 1842! (or have I misunderstood?)

      Do you know who Mary Freeman's father is and occ?

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      • #4
        Anyway, just so we have it to hand, this is the 1841 census entry you referenced:
        Yoxford, Suffolk:
        Susanna Jones 45 Schoolmistress N
        Elizabeth Do 20 N
        Eliza Do 15 N
        William Jones 15 Teacher N
        Mary Do 12 N
        Charles Do 10 N
        Edward Do 8 Y
        Thomas Do 4 Y

        Bother, I suppose that means Thomas was the youngest and was born just too soon to have his birth registered!
        KiteRunner

        Every five years or so I look back on my life and I have a good... laugh"
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        • #5
          Could this be a child of Wm and Susanna?

          Births Jun 1839
          Jones Ellen Maria Blything 13 391

          Deaths Jun 1840
          JONES Ellen Blything 13 289

          I can't see a living Ellen Jones to fit with this birth reg in Suffolk.

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          • #6
            What's Henry William's age on his marriage certificate, Joan?
            KiteRunner

            Every five years or so I look back on my life and I have a good... laugh"
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            • #7
              Given that Mary Freeman was at least 50% likely to be pregnant going up the aisle if she was pretty young, (lol) I wondered if this was their child?

              Births Sep 1842
              JONES Benjamin Elisha Blything 13 357

              Pity I can't find him on the following census or a death. :(

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              • #8
                Joan, I think we're going to need the details of Mary Ann's father, plus Mary Ann's age, from the marriage certificate because otherwise we don't know how to look for her on the censuses! There are just too many possibles, since we don't know where Henry William was born!
                KiteRunner

                Every five years or so I look back on my life and I have a good... laugh"
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                • #9
                  Births Sep 1842
                  JONES Benjamin Elisha Blything 13 357
                  Forget this one, I have found him in 1861 (b Southwold) and his mother is called Hannah.

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                  • #10
                    Ellen Maria JONES
                    Date of burial: 30 May 1840
                    Age at death: 1+
                    Calculated year of birth: 1839
                    Place of burial: Yoxford, St Peter Suffolk

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                    • #11
                      Looks likely - so if you get her birth certificate it will give Susanna's maiden name and then we stand a better chance of finding the marriage!
                      KiteRunner

                      Every five years or so I look back on my life and I have a good... laugh"
                      (Indigo Girls, "Watershed")

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                      • #12
                        Crikey !!

                        Slow down everyone, lol!!



                        I have the birth cert for Ellen Maria in 1839. Susanna was formerly WILLS

                        Last edited by Joan of Archives; 25-10-08, 19:37.

                        Joanie

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Merry Monty Montgomery View Post
                          I doubt William would have been born as late as 1830 if he married in 1842! (or have I misunderstood?)

                          Do you know who Mary Freeman's father is and occ?
                          Have amended it to keep you happy Merry, lol!!

                          I don't have their marriage cert, so I don't know who Mary Freeman's parents were, sorry :o

                          Joanie

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KiteRunner View Post
                            Anyway, just so we have it to hand, this is the 1841 census entry you referenced:
                            Yoxford, Suffolk:
                            Susanna Jones 45 Schoolmistress N
                            Elizabeth Do 20 N
                            Eliza Do 15 N
                            William Jones 15 Teacher N
                            Mary Do 12 N
                            Charles Do 10 N
                            Edward Do 8 Y
                            Thomas Do 4 Y

                            Bother, I suppose that means Thomas was the youngest and was born just too soon to have his birth registered!
                            Thanks Kite !


                            Joanie

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                            • #15
                              Time to get your purse out then!! lol

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Merry Monty Montgomery View Post
                                Given that Mary Freeman was at least 50% likely to be pregnant going up the aisle if she was pretty young, (lol) I wondered if this was their child?

                                Births Sep 1842
                                JONES Benjamin Elisha Blything 13 357

                                Pity I can't find him on the following census or a death. :(
                                Ooooo I never spotted that one Merry !

                                I wonder if he was theirs?

                                Joanie

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                                • #17
                                  Marriage on Boyds index

                                  1822 / JONES WM /WILLS SUS / WESTMINSTER ST GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE / MIDDLESEX

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by SuffolkSue View Post
                                    Ellen Maria JONES
                                    Date of burial: 30 May 1840
                                    Age at death: 1+
                                    Calculated year of birth: 1839
                                    Place of burial: Yoxford, St Peter Suffolk
                                    That's her, thanks Sue

                                    Could you please have a look for William (senior) Jones death in 1839/40 for me please?

                                    Thanks!

                                    Joanie

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by SuffolkSue View Post
                                      Marriage on Boyds index

                                      1822 / JONES WM /WILLS SUS / WESTMINSTER ST GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE / MIDDLESEX
                                      I saw that one Sue but discounted it because the area was really out & because their first child was Emma born in 1818, Gloucestershire.

                                      Emma on 1861 census with family :

                                      Class: RG9; Piece: 2616; Folio: 4; Page: 1; GSU roll: 543000.

                                      Emma Flintoff wife aged 42
                                      Emma Ann Flintoff daughter aged 4
                                      Harry Wm Jones Flintoff son aged 3 Mo
                                      John Flintoff Head 44
                                      Reginald Marlan Flintoff son 8
                                      Wm Geo Flintoff son 12
                                      Susannah Jones visitor 30



                                      Last edited by Joan of Archives; 25-10-08, 19:43.

                                      Joanie

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                                      • #20
                                        William JONES
                                        Date of burial: 1 Jan 1840
                                        Age at death: 48
                                        Calculated year of birth: 1792
                                        Place of burial: Yoxford, St Peter

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