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  • Any "Bright" sparks around please?

    I had my Bright family all cut and dried through several censuses, until I realised I'd latched on to the wrong family. Fortunately it's only one generation I've misidentified.

    Starting point is the marriage of Samuel Bright and Grace Lane (13 Feb. 1810, Exminster Devon). IGI Batch M050541 (extracted record).

    In 1841 they are at Cottages, Exminster with 5 children:
    HO107; Piece 219; Book: 22; Civil Parish: Exminster; County: Devon; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 4; Page: 3
    All born in county

    Saml Bright 50
    Grace Bright 45
    Charlotte Bright 15
    John Bright 20
    Ellen Bright 5
    Louisa Bright 5
    Eliza Bright 1

    Louisa is my "main line" and I have her in the Teignmouth area from 1851 onwards. She married James Bradford at Exminster in 1856.

    It's the rest of the family that I can't find. I thought I had them but I've now realised that Samuel the market gardener born Exeter (with wife Mary and 2 children in Exeter in 1851 and thereafter a widower) is a false trail.

    I've tried to find "my" Bright family in 1851 and later without success. Samuel was a witness at Louisa's wedding in 1856.

    I have found Exminster misheard by one enumerator as Axminster for Louisa Bradford in 1891.
    Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

  • #2
    Think this is John:
    Class: HO107; Piece: 1871; Folio: 254; Page: 16
    Married to Sarah, nee Padden - with her daugher Fanny.
    Tracy

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    • #3
      Charlotte may have married Peter Alford Sept 1848 (freebmd)
      Heather

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      • #4
        This seems to be Samuel and Grace in 1851 - although Louisa is with them and you said you had her on 1851 . Mistranscribed as Bugh

        HO107, piece 1867, folio 521, page 24

        Jackie
        Jackie

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HeatherD View Post
          Charlotte may have married Peter Alford Sept 1848 (freebmd)
          They are here Class: HO107; Piece: 1867; Folio: 540; Page: 25 in 1851.
          Tracy

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          • #6
            Look for Grace Bugh in 1851. I think it is Bright.

            Sorry Jackie, i didn't see your post.
            Last edited by HeatherD; 16-10-08, 00:42.
            Heather

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            • #7
              There was a Samuel Jnr too, born 1810 (from IGI).
              He married a Sarah too lol

              Class: HO107; Piece: 1867; Folio: 516; Page: 15
              Tracy

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              • #8
                Thank you one and all. You have shed some light on my Brights.

                Originally posted by Orangeblossom View Post
                Think this is John:
                Class: HO107; Piece: 1871; Folio: 254; Page: 16
                Married to Sarah, nee Padden - with her daugher Fanny.
                I'll buy that one.

                Originally posted by HeatherD View Post
                Charlotte may have married Peter Alford Sept 1848 (freebmd)
                Yup.

                Originally posted by Night Owl View Post
                This seems to be Samuel and Grace in 1851 - although Louisa is with them and you said you had her on 1851 . Mistranscribed as Bugh

                HO107, piece 1867, folio 521, page 24
                My previous sighting of Louisa was misplaced enthusiasm. When I looked at it again her age was all wrong.
                I've submitted corrections to Ancestry. Now to work out where the 2 grandchildren fit in.

                Originally posted by Orangeblossom View Post
                They are here Class: HO107; Piece: 1867; Folio: 540; Page: 25 in 1851.
                Super.

                Originally posted by Orangeblossom View Post
                There was a Samuel Jnr too, born 1810 (from IGI).
                He married a Sarah too lol

                Class: HO107; Piece: 1867; Folio: 516; Page: 15
                I had just found him on the IGI. Thanks for the census sighting.


                I'll digest this lot and now try to trace them forward. Many thanks once more.
                Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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                • #9
                  I've now digested that lot. Thanks for all the leads. I've made a lot of progress but still have some loose ends.

                  I can't find Samuel snr. after 1851, where his pob is given as Croydon Surrey. I find that most unlikely. I'm fairly confident that I have Grace's death in 1853 and I think I have Samuel's in 1873.

                  I've traced son Samuel (bap 1810) through to being a widower aged 70 in 1881.

                  John pops up in 1891 with his wife Sarah aged 77/74 in an almshouses in Wolborough but I can't find them in 61/71/81.

                  Charlotte is fully accounted for through to her death in 1899 and husband Peter Alford's death in 1910. They had 7 children.

                  I think Ellen must have died. I can't see her after 1841.

                  Louisa is fully accounted for, now she's correctly recorded in 1851.

                  Eliza (aged 1 in 1841) is a mystery. In 1851 there's a granddaughter Eliza aged 9, who may or may not be the same person, and a grandson William aged 8. I can't fit them into any of the children's families.

                  Samuel (1810) is my only IGI hit.
                  Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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                  • #10
                    John & Sarah
                    1861 - Class: RG9; Piece: 1409; Folio: 13; Page: 19
                    1871 - Class: RG10; Piece: 2084; Folio: 15; Page: 21
                    1881 - Class: RG11; Piece: 2165; Folio: 7; Page: 7
                    1891 - Class: RG12; Piece: 1700; Folio 78; Page 40
                    Tracy

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                    • #11
                      I found these too...

                      Deaths Jun 1855
                      Bright Samuel
                      St. Thomas 5b 65


                      1861 - not sure what's going on here...
                      Grace Bright 71 MIL
                      Charlotte Gosland 35 Wife
                      Henry Gosland 32 Head
                      Charles Green 13 Son
                      Class: RG9; Piece: 1392; Folio: 35; Page: 18

                      There's a Charles Bright listed further up the page. Wonder if he's related.

                      Deaths Jun 1861
                      Bright Grace
                      St Thomas 5b 56
                      Last edited by Orangeblossom; 16-10-08, 23:29.
                      Tracy

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Orangeblossom View Post
                        I found these too...

                        Deaths Jun 1855
                        Bright Samuel
                        St. Thomas 5b 65


                        1861 - not sure what's going on here...
                        Grace Bright 71 MIL
                        Charlotte Gosland 35 Wife
                        Henry Gosland 32 Head
                        Charles Green 13 Son
                        Class: RG9; Piece: 1392; Folio: 35; Page: 18

                        Deaths Jun 1861
                        Bright Grace
                        St Thomas 5b 56
                        I've just been trying to work that one out too although Ancestry has just died on me!

                        Uncle John - you said you had Grace's death in 1853 - where is that please?

                        Jackie
                        Jackie

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                        • #13
                          Marriages Jun 1854
                          Bright Charlotte
                          Gosland Henry
                          St Thomas 5b 87


                          Marriages Mar 1846
                          BRIGHT Charlotte
                          Green Robert
                          Exeter 10 155

                          Perhaps wrong Charlotte marrying Peter?


                          Greens in 1851 - Class: HO107; Piece: 1867; Folio: 512; Page: 5
                          Last edited by Orangeblossom; 16-10-08, 23:38.
                          Tracy

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Orangeblossom View Post
                            John & Sarah
                            1861 - Class: RG9; Piece: 1409; Folio: 13; Page: 19
                            1871 - Class: RG10; Piece: 2084; Folio: 15; Page: 21
                            1881 - Class: RG11; Piece: 2165; Folio: 7; Page: 7
                            1891 - Class: RG12; Piece: 1700; Folio 78; Page 40
                            Thanks very much for those. I've spent some hours working out how the grandchildren Frederic(k) and Lucy/Lissy (in 1861 and 1871) fit in. They belong to Fanny Paddon (daughter-in-law aged 10 in 1851). She married Henry Godfrey in q1 1859, but he expired in q4 1859, leaving Fanny with 2 children. She went as a servant, leaving the children with her parents.
                            Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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                            • #15
                              Looking again at Samuel and Grace, I think you've got the right death for Samuel

                              Deaths Jun 1855
                              Bright Samuel
                              St. Thomas 5b 65


                              The one I had is probably the "wrong" Samuel who lived in Exeter.

                              1861 - not sure what's going on here...
                              Grace Bright 71 MIL
                              Charlotte Gosland 35 Wife
                              Henry Gosland 32 Head
                              Charles Green 13 Son
                              Class: RG9; Piece: 1392; Folio: 35; Page: 18


                              I think that must be another family. "My" Charlotte looks well-matched info-wise with Peter Alford. I can't justify £7 on checking the marriage details.

                              Deaths Jun 1861
                              Bright Grace
                              St Thomas 5b 56


                              Jackie: I'd picked up an earlier death for Grace

                              St. Thomas q4 1853 5b 43

                              but that one fitted with the "wrong" Samuel being a widower in 1861.

                              Marriages Jun 1854
                              Bright Charlotte
                              Gosland Henry
                              St Thomas 5b 87


                              Marriages Mar 1846
                              BRIGHT Charlotte
                              Green Robert
                              Exeter 10 155

                              Perhaps wrong Charlotte marrying Peter?


                              Greens in 1851 - Class: HO107; Piece: 1867; Folio: 512; Page: 5


                              That's all I need - 3 possible marriages. I'll scream if these Charlottes were also born in Exminster.
                              Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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                              • #16
                                The June 1861 death for Grace Bright fits with her being the Gosland mother-in-law in the 1861 census.
                                Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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                                • #17
                                  I think Charlotte Bright-Green-Gosland looks likely to be yours. She has mother Grace, and they are both born at right time in right place.

                                  Charlotte Bright-Alford - I'll look for her earlier and see if there are 2 families.

                                  Oh, btw - that Jun 1854 marriage is meant to be Charlotte Green, not Bright lol (I got carried away with the Brights!)
                                  Tracy

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                                  • #18
                                    1841 would you believe...

                                    William Bright 35
                                    Mary Bright 35
                                    Charlotte Bright 15
                                    Mary Bright 15
                                    Jane Bright 9
                                    Elizabeth Bright 7
                                    Soloman Bright 3
                                    Ann Bright 8 Mo
                                    Class: HO107; Piece 219; Book: 23; Civil Parish: Exminster; County: Devon; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 9; Page: 13; Line: 17; GSU roll: 241310.

                                    Exminster

                                    So, definitely 2 Charlottes born. I stand by my previous statement.
                                    Tracy

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Orangeblossom View Post
                                      I think Charlotte Bright-Green-Gosland looks likely to be yours. She has mother Grace, and they are both born at right time in right place.

                                      Charlotte Bright-Alford - I'll look for her earlier and see if there are 2 families.

                                      Oh, btw - that Jun 1854 marriage is meant to be Charlotte Green, not Bright lol (I got carried away with the Brights!)
                                      I've found a death for Robert Green q2 1851 St. Thomas 10 179.

                                      Originally posted by Orangeblossom View Post
                                      1841 would you believe...

                                      William Bright 35
                                      Mary Bright 35
                                      Charlotte Bright 15
                                      Mary Bright 15
                                      Jane Bright 9
                                      Elizabeth Bright 7
                                      Soloman Bright 3
                                      Ann Bright 8 Mo
                                      Class: HO107; Piece 219; Book: 23; Civil Parish: Exminster; County: Devon; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 9; Page: 13; Line: 17; GSU roll: 241310.

                                      Exminster

                                      So, definitely 2 Charlottes born. I stand by my previous statement.
                                      That's deffo the "wrong" family, so the Alford family goes in the bin.
                                      Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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                                      • #20
                                        Right, got the Greens in 1851: HO107/1867/512/5
                                        Robert 28
                                        Charlotte 25
                                        Charles 2
                                        Last edited by Uncle John; 18-10-08, 10:42.
                                        Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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