While I'm waiting for the certificates that I hope will shed light on my mystery men, can I be cheeky and ask for more help?
I'm trying to nail down the 13 children of Adolphus Renwick and Anna Maria Burnham, born between 1881 and 1902. I have lists from both my mother and my grandmother which both come up to about 11 and then list "+2", and in rough but not exact age order.
My mother's list:
Emma
Adolphus (Dolph)
James
Charles
Alfred
Ralph
Esther
Annie
May
Alice
Winifred
My grandmother's list:
Emma, my mother
Dolph, eldest son
Fred
Jim
Esther, lived to 89
Ralph, died of food poisoning
Charlie, killed in 1914/18 war
Alice
Win
May
Annie
I have been through the images of the index for every quarter between 1881 and 1905 and have come up with the following list:
Emma Elizabeth b. 5.7.1881 (d. 1956)
Adolphus b. Q2 1883
Frederick George b. Q1 1885
William Thomas b. Q1 1888 (d. Q2 1888)
Annie b. Q3 1889
James Stephen b. Q1 1891
Esther b. 14.8.1892
Alfred b. Q1 1894 OR Alfred John b. Q4 1894 (two entries)
Alice b. Q2 1896
Charles Richard b. Q4 1897 (d. 9.4.1917)
Frances May b. Q2 1899
Winifred Maud b. Q1 1902
I cannot at the moment substantiate that William Thomas was one of the missing 2, he came from someone else's tree and would need a birth certificate to corroborate. I would also need a reference check to pin down which Alfred is the correct one.
Owing to the period over which the children were born, none of the censuses includes them all. We are absolutely certain that there were 13 children: Anna Maria and Adolphus lived until at least 1940, Emma until 1956, all overlapping substantially with my mother, born 1931. My mother knows from both her grandmother and her great grandmother that Emma was the eldest of 13 and that she effectively brought up her siblings while her mother was producing them. All the births were registered in St Olaves, Southwark.
However - I can't find Ralph at all in the indexes. My grandmother's note about him was at the same time so precise and so banal that I can't think she imagined it or made him up. Can anyone help?
I'm trying to nail down the 13 children of Adolphus Renwick and Anna Maria Burnham, born between 1881 and 1902. I have lists from both my mother and my grandmother which both come up to about 11 and then list "+2", and in rough but not exact age order.
My mother's list:
Emma
Adolphus (Dolph)
James
Charles
Alfred
Ralph
Esther
Annie
May
Alice
Winifred
My grandmother's list:
Emma, my mother
Dolph, eldest son
Fred
Jim
Esther, lived to 89
Ralph, died of food poisoning
Charlie, killed in 1914/18 war
Alice
Win
May
Annie
I have been through the images of the index for every quarter between 1881 and 1905 and have come up with the following list:
Emma Elizabeth b. 5.7.1881 (d. 1956)
Adolphus b. Q2 1883
Frederick George b. Q1 1885
William Thomas b. Q1 1888 (d. Q2 1888)
Annie b. Q3 1889
James Stephen b. Q1 1891
Esther b. 14.8.1892
Alfred b. Q1 1894 OR Alfred John b. Q4 1894 (two entries)
Alice b. Q2 1896
Charles Richard b. Q4 1897 (d. 9.4.1917)
Frances May b. Q2 1899
Winifred Maud b. Q1 1902
I cannot at the moment substantiate that William Thomas was one of the missing 2, he came from someone else's tree and would need a birth certificate to corroborate. I would also need a reference check to pin down which Alfred is the correct one.
Owing to the period over which the children were born, none of the censuses includes them all. We are absolutely certain that there were 13 children: Anna Maria and Adolphus lived until at least 1940, Emma until 1956, all overlapping substantially with my mother, born 1931. My mother knows from both her grandmother and her great grandmother that Emma was the eldest of 13 and that she effectively brought up her siblings while her mother was producing them. All the births were registered in St Olaves, Southwark.
However - I can't find Ralph at all in the indexes. My grandmother's note about him was at the same time so precise and so banal that I can't think she imagined it or made him up. Can anyone help?
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