Good Morning All
I am hoping that you all dont mind me adding my biggest brickwall in my tree in the hope that someone of some of you may be able to provide some guidance that may help me. I apologise now if this goes on to read like war & peace but want to make sure I get everything down.
I have been trying to research my great grandfather for the past 4 years as my nan would love to know about her dad's family but unfortunately all she knows is that he was Charles Henry Jones, possibly from Wales (family rumour is that family further back owned schools in Wales....im not sure this is believable lol). Nan says that Charles' parents disowned him when he married his wife Harriet as they felt that she was 'benneath' them and made him choose between the family or Harriet. He married Harriet. Nan says she never met her grandparents and Charles refused to talk about them. All she remembers is that he did have 2 sisters, Nora(h) and Beatrice and a brother Arthur because they occasionally visited so she knows they existed.
Nan, who doesnt even know her grandparents names, remembered they owened a Painting & Decorating shop in Sheffield, possibly on Wood Street. I have tried various trade directories with no Jones' who were painters and not even that address coming up.
She doesnt remember anything about Nora(h) or Arthur's family but remembers that Beatrice had an illegitimate daughter called Ethel who married an Ernest Booth. They had a son called Desmond and when Ernest died, Desmond spent all the inheritance and Ethel killed herself!!
Ok...done with Nan's memories...heres what I have got so far....
I have Charles Henry Jones' marriage to Harriet Eastwood. They married at St John the Baptist, Owlerton, Sheffield on the 17th December 1917. He doesnt name a father! I know that usually means illegitimate, nan is adamant that he didnt name a father because the father (and mother) had already disowned him! I am still keeping the illeigitmacy option open at the back of my mind. Witnesses were a James Dolphin (a neighbour I think) and a Mary Jones (cant help thinking a relation but Jones is so common).
Charles Henry Jones died on the 16th March 1941 aged 46 in Sheffield. Occupation, Steel Examiner.
With no leads at all, I decided to have a look at the siblings she remembered. I have found nothing at all on Arthur. But with Beatrice, I found the marriage of her illegitimate daughter Ethel to Ernest Booth. Again, St John the Baptist, Sheffield on the 30th March 1925. Ethel gives her address at time of 174 Cuthbert Bank Road which was next door to Charles' address on his marriage cert in 1917. She obviously doesnt give a father's name but one of the witnesses was Emily Rosewarne which firstly, didnt mean anything to me. I found nothing more on Beatrice.
Going through St John the Baptist parish records for marriages at a last straw, I found a marriage of Norah Jones to a John William Rosewarne on the 16th July 1906. Norah was living at 58 Burton Street, Sheffield at the time of marriage and she named her father as Henry Jones, Painter! I then looked for baptisms of Rosewarne children in the same parish records and their first child was Emily Rosewarne born 22nd February 1907.
I feel like I have finally found the Norah nan remembers with the info from both marriage certs but nothing I have found has come up on census.
I have searched and searched but cannot find anything that would suggest my family on the census apart from a William Jones, Painter, who on the 1901 census is in Cheadle, Lancashire, but born Sheffield. On previous census, he is with a wife Mary (from Charles' marriage cert??) and they had numerous children with ones called Norah, Beatrice and Arthur...no Charles! I cannot find this family on the 1901, I think the girls were in service by this time.
I am sorry for the essay I have just written, just wanted to get it all down. Hope I have covered everything. If anyone has any suggestions at all, I would love to hear them.
Kind Regards
I am hoping that you all dont mind me adding my biggest brickwall in my tree in the hope that someone of some of you may be able to provide some guidance that may help me. I apologise now if this goes on to read like war & peace but want to make sure I get everything down.
I have been trying to research my great grandfather for the past 4 years as my nan would love to know about her dad's family but unfortunately all she knows is that he was Charles Henry Jones, possibly from Wales (family rumour is that family further back owned schools in Wales....im not sure this is believable lol). Nan says that Charles' parents disowned him when he married his wife Harriet as they felt that she was 'benneath' them and made him choose between the family or Harriet. He married Harriet. Nan says she never met her grandparents and Charles refused to talk about them. All she remembers is that he did have 2 sisters, Nora(h) and Beatrice and a brother Arthur because they occasionally visited so she knows they existed.
Nan, who doesnt even know her grandparents names, remembered they owened a Painting & Decorating shop in Sheffield, possibly on Wood Street. I have tried various trade directories with no Jones' who were painters and not even that address coming up.
She doesnt remember anything about Nora(h) or Arthur's family but remembers that Beatrice had an illegitimate daughter called Ethel who married an Ernest Booth. They had a son called Desmond and when Ernest died, Desmond spent all the inheritance and Ethel killed herself!!
Ok...done with Nan's memories...heres what I have got so far....
I have Charles Henry Jones' marriage to Harriet Eastwood. They married at St John the Baptist, Owlerton, Sheffield on the 17th December 1917. He doesnt name a father! I know that usually means illegitimate, nan is adamant that he didnt name a father because the father (and mother) had already disowned him! I am still keeping the illeigitmacy option open at the back of my mind. Witnesses were a James Dolphin (a neighbour I think) and a Mary Jones (cant help thinking a relation but Jones is so common).
Charles Henry Jones died on the 16th March 1941 aged 46 in Sheffield. Occupation, Steel Examiner.
With no leads at all, I decided to have a look at the siblings she remembered. I have found nothing at all on Arthur. But with Beatrice, I found the marriage of her illegitimate daughter Ethel to Ernest Booth. Again, St John the Baptist, Sheffield on the 30th March 1925. Ethel gives her address at time of 174 Cuthbert Bank Road which was next door to Charles' address on his marriage cert in 1917. She obviously doesnt give a father's name but one of the witnesses was Emily Rosewarne which firstly, didnt mean anything to me. I found nothing more on Beatrice.
Going through St John the Baptist parish records for marriages at a last straw, I found a marriage of Norah Jones to a John William Rosewarne on the 16th July 1906. Norah was living at 58 Burton Street, Sheffield at the time of marriage and she named her father as Henry Jones, Painter! I then looked for baptisms of Rosewarne children in the same parish records and their first child was Emily Rosewarne born 22nd February 1907.
I feel like I have finally found the Norah nan remembers with the info from both marriage certs but nothing I have found has come up on census.
I have searched and searched but cannot find anything that would suggest my family on the census apart from a William Jones, Painter, who on the 1901 census is in Cheadle, Lancashire, but born Sheffield. On previous census, he is with a wife Mary (from Charles' marriage cert??) and they had numerous children with ones called Norah, Beatrice and Arthur...no Charles! I cannot find this family on the 1901, I think the girls were in service by this time.
I am sorry for the essay I have just written, just wanted to get it all down. Hope I have covered everything. If anyone has any suggestions at all, I would love to hear them.
Kind Regards
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