Can anybody find the Birches?

[Mark Dudley]

I have John and Martha Birch at Woodhouse in Leeds in 1851 with their children - William (10), Lot (7), Alice (4), Keziah (2), Ellen (4 months), and their cousin Jane Garth (14) (Class: HO107; Piece: 2321; Folio: 357; Page: 4)

With the exception of their elder brother George who married and had loads of children as well, I cannot find any of them in 1861 or afterwards ...

Can anybody find them for me please?

[Elaine ..Spain]

1861 transcribed as Brich
RG9; Piece: 3390; Folio: 48; Page: 10;

[Mark Dudley]

Ta Elaine!

[Elaine ..Spain]

1871 transcribed as Berch
Martha, Ellen and Alice
RG10; Piece: 4561; Folio: 59; Page: 5;

[Elaine ..Spain]

1881
RG11; Piece: 4609; Folio: 40; Page: 11
Martha with daughter Ellen and husband Thomas

possible marriage
Marriages Dec 1877
ASPIN Thomas
BIRCH Ellen
Barnsley 9c 230

[Elaine ..Spain]

possible death for Martha - but age not quite right!
Deaths Dec 1884
Birch Martha age 77
Leeds 9b 347

[Mark Dudley]

Thanks Elaine. That's fantastic! Have I ever run the Birch/Garth conundrum past you?

[Elaine ..Spain]

I am not sure you have Mark!

*wonder if I may regret that comment!*

[Mark Dudley]

I'll post it up tomorrow as the certs etc are in the office at the bottom of the garden, but it is the relationship between Garths and Birches round about 1835/40 that has got me baffled. John married Martha Garth. George (their son) married Mary Ann Birch and I cannot quite sort out the relationships

[Elaine ..Spain]

I look forward to it Mark! ;)

[Mark Dudley]

That's odd!

possible marriage
Marriages Dec 1877
ASPIN Thomas
BIRCH Ellen
Barnsley 9c 230

Compare with:

Leeds 9b vol 682

Thomas Aspin 1867 Oct-Nov-Dec Leeds
Edwin Atkinson 1867 Oct-Nov-Dec Leeds
Kezia Birch 1867 Oct-Nov-Dec Leeds
Mary Ann Haithwaite 1867 Oct-Nov-Dec Leeds

[Elaine ..Spain]

a possible death
Deaths Mar 1877
ASPIN Kezia age 28
Barnsley 9c 128

- maybe Thomas then married sister Ellen.

Cannot see Thomas and Keziah on 1871 census at the moment.

[Elaine ..Spain]

I think Thomas Aspin and Keziah are recorded on the 1871 census under the name of Fotherby.
RG10; Piece: 4561; Folio: 94; Page: 35
Thomas' occupation is Stone mason and they have a son Walter, born 1870 - which matches the 1881 census where Thomas is with wife Ellen (Keziah having died in 1877).

If you go back to the 1851 cenus you will see that Thomas is recorded as Thomas Fotherby, grandchild of Elizabeth and John Aspin.
HO107; Piece: 2321; Folio: 418

[Elaine ..Spain]

.. and Thomas in 1861 transcribed as Fatherly
RG9; Piece: 3389; Folio: 69; Page: 19

parents marriage
Dec 1850
ASPIN Elizabeth
Fotherby Frederick
Leeds 23 547

.... you may have all of this anyway!

[KiteRunner]

I'll post it up tomorrow as the certs etc are in the office at the bottom of the garden, but it is the relationship between Garths and Birches round about 1835/40 that has got me baffled. John married Martha Garth. George (their son) married Mary Ann Birch and I cannot quite sort out the relationships

Rings vague bells, that one. Think I've got a lot of shopping to do in town tomorrow!

[Mark Dudley]

I think I must be going mad ...

I've replied on here twice and the posts are disapppearing into cyberspace :(

(Or I'm forgetting to press Submit Reply! )

I've sorted out the Fotherbys now thanks Elaine. I did find that once before, but I think it was a casualty when I lost a months work when I swapped laptops :o

[brenmac]

mark i was born there the leeds univercity is near there too,hope you find who your looking for brenda xxx