Hi all,
I've mentioned my problem Baty ancestors before when all I knew was that my gran’s father was called William Baty, he was born in 1879 in either Cumberland or Northumberland & that he was a servant all his working life, becoming a Butler for the Hennesseys (as in the whiskey family). From his marriage certificate I also knew that his father was a labourer called John.
Since then I have managed to get a copy of my gran’s birthday book from my aunt & learnt that his birthday was 3rd Aug 1879. My aunt also told me that there was a Liverpool connection with the Batys.
I’ve now bought his birth certificate & know that he was born in Nicholforest, Cumberland & that his parents were John Baty, an agricultural labourer & Sarah Baty, formerly Wilson.
If you look for William Baty on ancestry, all you get with similar details are a William A Baty, also born in Nicholforest, whose parents are John & Margaret & who becomes a blacksmith like his father & a William Baty born in Arthuret whose parents are James & Elizabeth.
If, however, you change the surname to Beaty/Beattie you get the following 1881-1901 records.
1881 England Census
John Beattie born c 1854 Bewcastle, Cumberland
Address: Swangs Cottage, Stapleton, Cumberland
Occupation: Husbandman (Ag Lab)
Household members:
John Beattie 27 head
Sarah Beattie 20 wife
William Beattie 1
1891 Scotland Census
John Beaty born c1854 England
Adress: Nether Whitlaw Side, Canonbie
Occupation: Ag Lab
Household Members:
Archibald Beaty 4
Hannah Beaty 7
John Beaty 37 - head
John Beaty 2
Mary Ann Beaty 9
Sarah Beaty 30 - wife
William Beaty 11
1901 England Census
John Beaty born c1853, Bewcastle, Cumberland, England
Adress: West Derby, Lancashire
Occupation: Cattleman
Household Members:
Archibald Beaty 14
Harry Beaty 8 months
John Beaty 48 - head
John Beaty 12
Leonard Beaty 3
Mary A Beaty 19
Sarah Beaty 39 - wife
1901 England Census
William Beaty born c1880, Nicholforest, Cumberland
Address: West Derby , Lancashire
Occupation: Servant - says footman on original
I have also found a marriage betweem a John Beaty & Sarah Wilson in Bewcastle, Cumberland on the 15th June 1878.
To add to all this, if you search BMD for the childrens births you can find them all as Beaty registered one year before the census year (as is usual). This is except William who as William Beaty/Beattie I could not find.
Do you think this is my family & if so it would appear that William's birth certificate had the name Baty as an error so why would he call himself it later in life. Alternatively do you think I've yet to find my Batys on census records.
I was thinking of ringing Carlisle registry office to enquire about buying the marriage certificate of John Baty & Sarah Wilson & to see if they could look & see if the Sarah part of Sarah Wilson/Baty's signature looks the same on the marriage certificate and on Williams birth certificate (I have the GRO version but know she registered his birth).
Any other suggestions would be gratefully recieved. I feel like a brick wall might be weakening slightly!!
Many thanks
Liz
I've mentioned my problem Baty ancestors before when all I knew was that my gran’s father was called William Baty, he was born in 1879 in either Cumberland or Northumberland & that he was a servant all his working life, becoming a Butler for the Hennesseys (as in the whiskey family). From his marriage certificate I also knew that his father was a labourer called John.
Since then I have managed to get a copy of my gran’s birthday book from my aunt & learnt that his birthday was 3rd Aug 1879. My aunt also told me that there was a Liverpool connection with the Batys.
I’ve now bought his birth certificate & know that he was born in Nicholforest, Cumberland & that his parents were John Baty, an agricultural labourer & Sarah Baty, formerly Wilson.
If you look for William Baty on ancestry, all you get with similar details are a William A Baty, also born in Nicholforest, whose parents are John & Margaret & who becomes a blacksmith like his father & a William Baty born in Arthuret whose parents are James & Elizabeth.
If, however, you change the surname to Beaty/Beattie you get the following 1881-1901 records.
1881 England Census
John Beattie born c 1854 Bewcastle, Cumberland
Address: Swangs Cottage, Stapleton, Cumberland
Occupation: Husbandman (Ag Lab)
Household members:
John Beattie 27 head
Sarah Beattie 20 wife
William Beattie 1
1891 Scotland Census
John Beaty born c1854 England
Adress: Nether Whitlaw Side, Canonbie
Occupation: Ag Lab
Household Members:
Archibald Beaty 4
Hannah Beaty 7
John Beaty 37 - head
John Beaty 2
Mary Ann Beaty 9
Sarah Beaty 30 - wife
William Beaty 11
1901 England Census
John Beaty born c1853, Bewcastle, Cumberland, England
Adress: West Derby, Lancashire
Occupation: Cattleman
Household Members:
Archibald Beaty 14
Harry Beaty 8 months
John Beaty 48 - head
John Beaty 12
Leonard Beaty 3
Mary A Beaty 19
Sarah Beaty 39 - wife
1901 England Census
William Beaty born c1880, Nicholforest, Cumberland
Address: West Derby , Lancashire
Occupation: Servant - says footman on original
I have also found a marriage betweem a John Beaty & Sarah Wilson in Bewcastle, Cumberland on the 15th June 1878.
To add to all this, if you search BMD for the childrens births you can find them all as Beaty registered one year before the census year (as is usual). This is except William who as William Beaty/Beattie I could not find.
Do you think this is my family & if so it would appear that William's birth certificate had the name Baty as an error so why would he call himself it later in life. Alternatively do you think I've yet to find my Batys on census records.
I was thinking of ringing Carlisle registry office to enquire about buying the marriage certificate of John Baty & Sarah Wilson & to see if they could look & see if the Sarah part of Sarah Wilson/Baty's signature looks the same on the marriage certificate and on Williams birth certificate (I have the GRO version but know she registered his birth).
Any other suggestions would be gratefully recieved. I feel like a brick wall might be weakening slightly!!
Many thanks
Liz
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