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Darksecretz
04-10-08, 12:52
I recieved the other day some more certs...

two of them have discrepancies that I havent come across before, help in figuring this out would be appreciated

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p117/Darksecretz_2006/SabinaRobinsonmarriage1864-1.jpg

and as to 'where' and 'what' is written on this cert below:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p117/Darksecretz_2006/SabinaCavemarriage1894-1.jpg

heres hoping :):)

Elaine ..Spain
04-10-08, 12:56
Second one
Wesleyan Reform, district of Ashby de La Zouch in the county of Leicester and Derby .... but I suppose it is the bit above that you really need - almost impossible to read from the scan because of the black line.

Elaine ..Spain
04-10-08, 12:58
Is the first word chapel ... Wesleyan Reform Chapel

Elaine ..Spain
04-10-08, 13:06
What are you trying to decipher on the first one - the whole thing or just the addition under their ages?

Darksecretz
04-10-08, 13:18
Hi Elaine,

sorry I wasnt very specific about the first one :o

it was the date that is in the age column It has puzzled me greatly as I can see no logic for it... I see that the date is 10 April 1865 but as to why, I have no idea...

theories on a postcard please.................

the second one, I can read "the wesleyan reform chapel ---------- Hugglescote" (at least I think it says Hugglescote at the end)

Uncle John
04-10-08, 13:59
Did the certificate with the stray date come from the local RO or the GRO? It seems odd that an amendment was made after the event without the reason being recorded somewhere.

Mary from Italy
04-10-08, 14:18
Perhaps he forgot to put the ages and added them later? Or changed the bride's age, which looks a bit messy.

BigShaz McCreadie
04-10-08, 15:26
Julie I have had a wee look at this and tried to make sense of it but I'm afraid I have no idea.

I was wondering, although this is probably useless info as you prob already have it, if the Sabina on the cert may be the same Sabina showing on the IGI.

Christening: 9th Nov 1841 Melton Mowbray, Leicester.
Mother: Mary Ann Robinson.

I wondered if maybe she was born 10th April and wasn't going to be 23 until that date the following year but then I'm sure they wouldn't have bothered putting 23 as her age they would have just put 22. :confused:

Darksecretz
04-10-08, 16:12
Did the certificate with the stray date come from the local RO or the GRO? It seems odd that an amendment was made after the event without the reason being recorded somewhere.

UJ, I sent for it from the GRO as I was ordering alot at once. I am planning to goto LRO next week, so will have a look at the PR and see if that is any different.


Perhaps he forgot to put the ages and added them later? Or changed the bride's age, which looks a bit messy.

I dunno Mary, I havent seen anything like it before :confused:


Julie I have had a wee look at this and tried to make sense of it but I'm afraid I have no idea.

I was wondering, although this is probably useless info as you prob already have it, if the Sabina on the cert may be the same Sabina showing on the IGI.

Christening: 9th Nov 1841 Melton Mowbray, Leicester.
Mother: Mary Ann Robinson.

I wondered if maybe she was born 10th April and wasn't going to be 23 until that date the following year but then I'm sure they wouldn't have bothered putting 23 as her age they would have just put 22. :confused:

Yep Shaz, thats her... Sabina was a twin her sister was Emma and Born on 2nd Nov 1841, according to their birth certs the entry number possibly dicatates that Sabina was born first. (there isnt any times given for the girls' birth) So I know that 10th April isnt her b/day.

thanks for having a go though :)

Uncle John
04-10-08, 16:41
UJ, I sent for it from the GRO as I was ordering alot at once. I am planning to goto LRO next week, so will have a look at the PR and see if that is any different.

I hope the folk in Leicester Register Office are up for a challenge!

keldon
04-10-08, 17:20
The first one. It seems to me the first unknown word starts with E, and looks like Ellistown, which turns out to be next to Hugglescote
Ellistown - Google Maps (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Ellistown&ie=UTF8&ll=52.703695,-1.367283&spn=0.021063,0.055275&z=14)
It's still there if you Google it.

Darksecretz
04-10-08, 17:54
I hope the folk in Leicester Register Office are up for a challenge!

Mmmm yep :)


The first one. It seems to me the first unknown word starts with E, and looks like Ellistown, which turns out to be next to Hugglescote
Ellistown - Google Maps (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Ellistown&ie=UTF8&ll=52.703695,-1.367283&spn=0.021063,0.055275&z=14)
It's still there if you Google it.

AHA!! Phil! brill :)

Now you have said as much it does look like Ellistown Hugglescote

I googled last night, as I wasnt sure where Hugglescote was and noticed that Ellistown was next door so to speak..

I'm chuffed now.. thanks :):)

Uncle John
04-10-08, 19:16
Now you'll be able to tell the registrar which marriage register to look in.

brenmac
04-10-08, 20:14
chapel chritidelphian brenda xxx

Jessbowbag
04-10-08, 20:21
no, christadelphians meet in a ecclesial hall, or ecclesial meeting room, not the parish church

Uncle John
04-10-08, 20:35
chapel chritidelphian brenda xxx

One certificate says "Parish Church". The other one says "Wesleyan Reform chapel", which is a branch of the modern Methodist church. Christadelphians are a completely different sect.

Darksecretz
04-10-08, 23:48
Hmmn Uncle John,

well, at least now I can check IF LRO actually have the Wes Ref registers there.... I know who the parents were of the girl that married there.

and Sabina's Marriage with the odd date, well, that should be at LRO too..

so it wont be a fruitless trip

Uncle John
05-10-08, 14:27
I don't know at what point in time (if at all) the Register Office sends old registers to the County Archives.

Darksecretz
05-10-08, 22:36
Well,

I'm presuming that the pr's for Scraptoft have been filmed and are there..

just not sure about the Wesleyan Reform registers though.

Uncle John
06-10-08, 16:20
My first port of call would be the Register Office (perhaps a phone call first if it's out of your way).

Mary from Italy
06-10-08, 17:19
They don't have all the Nonconformist registers at Wigston. I was looking for the Rothley Baptist registers (post-1837) a while ago, which they don't hold, but they kindly gave me the name of the Baptist Minister, who put me in touch with the lady who had the records I was interested in.