My elusive MR William Teer.

[Jacqueline]

My FIL passed away 2 weeks ago and I have decided to try again.

I am looking for the marriage ( need this to find his father) of William Teer and a ? Elizabeth Schofield Taylor.
FIL wasn't sure what her first name was. I've found on census she was Lillian.
That problem solved.

1891 census William head age 29 Job Merchant
Lillian age 24
Leo age 1 mth.

1901 Census ( mistranscribed as TEEN)
William Head age 40 Joiner
Lillian wife age 20 ( closer look at census says 30 )
James Les ( Leo ) age 9 (have birth cert - mother's name Lillian)
Lillian age 6
Ethel age 3 ( have birth cert - Mothers name Lillian )

Now, the family came to England from IOM sometime early 1800's. With this in mind I have found a William born 1861 Manchester, Parents John ( joiner ) & Isabella born IOM (RG10/3999). This is a possibility.

The other possible is William born 1860 to Thomas ( Mechanic Iron turner ) and Elizabeth RG9/2928. But they were both born in Manchester.

The only marriage I can find between a Wm Teer and Lillian Taylor is 1915, and I ordered that and they were in there 20's. ( assuming she was married before since her family did not approve - they came from "up steps" )So not them.

The child Lillian BTW, I couldn't find birth cert but have found marriage, and she was Dorothy!But known as Lil.

I have no idea when Wm or Lillian died but apparently Lillian died when the children were quite young. FIL said that Frank their 4th child was living with Lillian (2nd child) when he was 14. ( between 1902 - 16 ).

Hoping you super sleuths out there can help.

Jackie

[KiteRunner]

So Leo's birth was registered Apr-Jun 1891 Manchester, and we're looking for a marriage probably before that?

[KiteRunner]

I'm sure we've been over this before, but can I just ask how you know her full name was Lillian Elizabeth Schofield Taylor, please? Does it say that on either of her children's birth certificates? I can't see a birth registration for her under that name.

[KiteRunner]

Just so we don't have to keep going back to look at the censuses, 1891:
William Teer Head M 29 Job Merchant Lanc Manchester
Lilian Do Wife M 24 Dressmaker Do Do
Leo Do Son 1 mo Do Do
Fanny Brereton Boarder M 30 Milliner Cheshire Stockport
Matilda Do Do S 11 Lanc Patricroft(??)

[KiteRunner]

And the 1901 at Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire:
William Teer Head M 40 Joiner Lanc Manchester
Lillian Do Wife M 30 Machinist Do Do
James Leo Do Son S 9 Do Do
Lillian Do Daur S 6 Do Do
Ethel Do Daur S 3 Do Do

[Phoenix]

Just a little later than expected!


Marriages Jun 1915


Taylor Lilian Teer Salford 8d 263
Teer William S Taylor Salford 8d 263

Okay, skip that - I see you have ordered and discounted it.

[KiteRunner]

We could try following the possible William Teers forward to see if either of them is still at home with parents in 1891 to rule them out? This is the Thomas and Elizabeth one in 1861:
New Cross, Manchester
Thomas Teer Head Mar 25 Mechanic Iron Turner Lancashire Manchester
Elizabeth Do Wife Do 25 Housewife Do Manchester
Do Ellen Do Daur 3 Do Do
William Do Son 1 Do Do
Jane Do Daur 4 months Do Do

And the John / Isabella family in 1871 at Hulme, Lancashire:
John Teare Head Mar 42 Joiner Isle of Man
Isabella Wife Mar 37 Do
Catherine J Do Daur Un 18 Millinery Lancashire Manchester
John Do Son Unm 16 Joiner Do Hulme
Isabella Do Daur 14 Creaser for Sewing Machine Do Do
William Do Son 10 Scholar Do Do
Margaret E Do Daur 6 Do Do Do
Elizabeth A Do Daur 5 mos Do Do

[Phoenix]

Curiously, a Lillian Taylor gets married in Oldham in Dec 1890 - and I cannot find her with either of her possible spouses: John James Cooper or Joseph Richardson in the 1891 census.

[KiteRunner]

Hmmm, is this John Teare in 1881?
Toxteth Park, Liverpool
John Teare Head Mar 54 Joiner Isle of Man
Annie S Do Daur Unm 21 none Lancash. West Derby

Then in Urmston, Lancashire there is:
Augustus Doherty Head Mar 50 Printer Compositor Chorlton in Medlock Lancash
Margaret Do Wife Mar 49 Kullandrea(?) Isle of Man
Augustus A J Do Son Unm 27 Printer Compositor Hulme Lancashire
Margaret E Teare Neice Unm 16 Scholar Do Do
Elizabeth Ada Teare Neice Unm 10 Do Do Do

Not found Isabella and William yet, though, so this might not work out!

[KiteRunner]

Curiously, a Lillian Taylor gets married in Oldham in Dec 1890 - and I cannot find her with either of her possible spouses: John James Cooper or Joseph Richardson in the 1891 census.

Lancashire BMD gives her name as Lillias and she married John J Cooper.

[Orangeblossom]

Found Thomas and Elizabeth in 1871:
1871
Jos Thos Leer 35 - Beer Seller
Elizth Leer 34
Wm Leer 12
Jane Leer 10
Francis Leer 8
John Leer 6
Alice Leer 1
Eliz Leer 7 weeks
Agnes Kelly 22 - Barmaid
Class: RG10; Piece: 4062; Folio: 122; Page: 1

and family in 1881
1881
Elizabeth Tear 39 - Beer(?)
William Tear 21 - Joiner
Jane Tear 19 - House Work
Frank Tear 17 - Out of Work
John Tear 16 - Errand Boy
Alice A. Tear 12
Mary E. Tear 9
Joseph Tear 7
James S. Tear 8 months
Emma Clough 23 - Shopkeeper
Class: RG11; Piece: 4023; Folio: 4; Page: 1

[Jacqueline]

I'm sure we've been over this before, but can I just ask how you know her full name was Lillian Elizabeth Schofield Taylor, please? Does it say that on either of her children's birth certificates? I can't see a birth registration for her under that name.

Hi Kite,
My FIL wrote that she was a somebody Elizabeth Schofeld Taylor in some notes he gave me about 20 yrs ago. He had all his faculties then and was very sure that was her name. The childrens certs say Lillian as mother. No other names.
I assumed she was born a Schofield - Taylor at first. Then tried Taylor as her married name before she married william.

jackie

[Jacqueline]

Curiously, a Lillian Taylor gets married in Oldham in Dec 1890 - and I cannot find her with either of her possible spouses: John James Cooper or Joseph Richardson in the 1891 census.

Hi Pheonix,

Mmmm, curious. That would mean she had a double barrelled name, skipped out on the marriage then hooked up with my William and have his child a month before the 1891 census.??
Leo was born 16/3/1891......Bit too much I think, but will keep in mind.
Jackie

[Jacqueline]

Hmmm, is this John Teare in 1881?
Toxteth Park, Liverpool
John Teare Head Mar 54 Joiner Isle of Man
Annie S Do Daur Unm 21 none Lancash. West Derby

Then in Urmston, Lancashire there is:
Augustus Doherty Head Mar 50 Printer Compositor Chorlton in Medlock Lancash
Margaret Do Wife Mar 49 Kullandrea(?) Isle of Man
Augustus A J Do Son Unm 27 Printer Compositor Hulme Lancashire
Margaret E Teare Neice Unm 16 Scholar Do Do
Elizabeth Ada Teare Neice Unm 10 Do Do Do

Not found Isabella and William yet, though, so this might not work out!

1861 census RG 9/2901
John Teare Home Carpenterage 34 Isle of Man Kirk Andreas
Jenbella Teare Wife age 28 Isle of Man Day???
John Scholar 6 Manchester Hulme
Isabella Scholar 4 manchester do
William 1 manchester do

[Jacqueline]

and family in 1881
1881
Elizabeth Tear 39 - Beer(?)
William Tear 21 - Joiner
Jane Tear 19 - House Work
Frank Tear 17 - Out of Work
John Tear 16 - Errand Boy
Alice A. Tear 12
Mary E. Tear 9
Joseph Tear 7
James S. Tear 8 months
Emma Clough 23 - Shopkeeper
Class: RG11; Piece: 4023; Folio: 4; Page: 1

This Elizabeth in 1891 was remarried and was a publican.

Found in 1891 census
Eliz Carrabine Head m Publican lancashire Manchester
Francis Jeer son 26 Waiter Inn
Jane Jeer Dau 27 Dressmaker
Joseph T Jeer son 18 Upholsterer
Mary E Jeer dau 19 Maker up
Emma H Jeer 16 Domestic Servant
Alice Ann dau 21 mantle Maker Dress

So with all the censuses we have Teer,Tear, Teare, Teen, Jeer and I think I found Thomas as aTuer in 1851......So you can see why I need the marriage of William and Lillian

Jackie

[Phoenix]

Hi Pheonix,

Mmmm, curious. That would mean she had a double barrelled name, skipped out on the marriage then hooked up with my William and have his child a month before the 1891 census.??
Leo was born 16/3/1891......Bit too much I think, but will keep in mind.
Jackie

Another scenario is that she finds herself pregnant with William's child, marries someone else.... who then discovers pretty quickly that she hasn't been telling him something. But I agree that it is very fast work.

[KiteRunner]

I think I already posted that Lancashire BMD says that Oldham marriage was a Lillias, not a Lillian?

[Orangeblossom]

Yes Kite - and she is on 1891 with John J Cooper with her parents, so obviously not the one.

[Orangeblossom]

By process of elimination, I have narrowed it down to 2 possible Williams born c1860:

Sep 1859
Teer William
Manchester 8d 119

Dec 1862
TEER William John
Salford 8d 58

Now, it is possible that 1859 William died in 1862:
Dec 1862
Teer William
Manchester 8d 164

but there is no age, so it's difficult to tell. It could be his father, grandfather, uncle or whatever.

I can't find William John after the birth. There is no record of a marriage or death.

[Jacqueline]

By process of elimination, I have narrowed it down to 2 possible Williams born c1860:

Sep 1859
Teer William
Manchester 8d 119

Dec 1862
TEER William John
Salford 8d 58

Now, it is possible that 1859 William died in 1862:
Dec 1862
Teer William
Manchester 8d 164

but there is no age, so it's difficult to tell. It could be his father, grandfather, uncle or whatever.

I can't find William John after the birth. There is no record of a marriage or death.

I've found a Christening of William Teer 21/1/1863 parents Mark and Hannah Teer Everton lancs. ( When did these come on line??). No reference number though.