I was hoping for some help with this one please
My Samain/Semain/Smain/Swain family - and yes they do come under all these variations - and more!-
Joseph Samain and Elizabeth nee Paget/Pagett/Padgett living in Shoreditch
Joseph is a labourer in the early census, then becomes a hawker, then goes back to a dock labourer as the years progress. They have a large family, most of the children accounted for in the census, IGI and birth records. However, a twin has suddenly appeared which makes this their second set of twins - but with a confusing twist.
The first set of twins are Elizabeth and Caroline and their births are registered in Shoreditch Q2 1863 1c 114
I have no problem with these two, in the 1871 census @ Mail coach Yard they are 8 years old and Elizabeth is known as Betsey. In the 1881 census they are living at 18 Brittania Gardens and they are both 17 - again Betsey and Caroline
In 1865 the IGI has an entry for the birth of Charles Semaine, son of Joseph (hawker) and Elizabeth of Mail Coach Yard born 8th April 1865
Then in 1871 a burial for Charles Samain 3 Mail coach Yard Kingsland Road Bethnal Green age 6 Grave 12475 receipt 13 Victoria Park cemetery
Now comes the confusion - I have a certificate I sent for in 1997 - a birth cert for Elizabeth Semain born the same day as Charles - 8th April 1865 - father Joseph a hawker of Mail Coach Yard and mother Elizabeth formerly Pagett
I have just rechecked the BMD's and found no mention of Charles, which is why I hadn't made a note with the certificate saying it looked like twins.
Why would they call a daughter Elizabeth, born two years after another daughter still living, named Elizabeth. Neither Charles nor his twin Elizabeth show up in the following census, so she must have died too, but no record of death to be found either in BMD's or the IGI.
If I didn't have the certificate for Elizabeth's birth sitting in front of me I wouldn't have believed she existed.
Do any of you have any idea's about this sudden appearance of another twin, and also her disappearance. Why wasn't she buried with a grave number allotted as Charles did? Another daughter Lydia had died in march 1871, also buried at Victoria Park cemetery - of Mail Coach Yard aged 13months Grave 12473 receipt 4883months
It all seems very strange.
It has taken me years to track down this family in the census
In 1871/1881 they are transcribed as Swain
1891 Joseph is living on his own in Brittania Gardens, transcribed as Smain; and the rest of the family living not too far away in Lyndock Street transcribed under the name Lawrence!!! (son William (Bill) is transcribed as Bell Lawrence)
No wonder it has taken me so long to trace them, and now this twin conundrum! Any suggestions would be appreciated.
My Samain/Semain/Smain/Swain family - and yes they do come under all these variations - and more!-
Joseph Samain and Elizabeth nee Paget/Pagett/Padgett living in Shoreditch
Joseph is a labourer in the early census, then becomes a hawker, then goes back to a dock labourer as the years progress. They have a large family, most of the children accounted for in the census, IGI and birth records. However, a twin has suddenly appeared which makes this their second set of twins - but with a confusing twist.
The first set of twins are Elizabeth and Caroline and their births are registered in Shoreditch Q2 1863 1c 114
I have no problem with these two, in the 1871 census @ Mail coach Yard they are 8 years old and Elizabeth is known as Betsey. In the 1881 census they are living at 18 Brittania Gardens and they are both 17 - again Betsey and Caroline
In 1865 the IGI has an entry for the birth of Charles Semaine, son of Joseph (hawker) and Elizabeth of Mail Coach Yard born 8th April 1865
Then in 1871 a burial for Charles Samain 3 Mail coach Yard Kingsland Road Bethnal Green age 6 Grave 12475 receipt 13 Victoria Park cemetery
Now comes the confusion - I have a certificate I sent for in 1997 - a birth cert for Elizabeth Semain born the same day as Charles - 8th April 1865 - father Joseph a hawker of Mail Coach Yard and mother Elizabeth formerly Pagett
I have just rechecked the BMD's and found no mention of Charles, which is why I hadn't made a note with the certificate saying it looked like twins.
Why would they call a daughter Elizabeth, born two years after another daughter still living, named Elizabeth. Neither Charles nor his twin Elizabeth show up in the following census, so she must have died too, but no record of death to be found either in BMD's or the IGI.
If I didn't have the certificate for Elizabeth's birth sitting in front of me I wouldn't have believed she existed.
Do any of you have any idea's about this sudden appearance of another twin, and also her disappearance. Why wasn't she buried with a grave number allotted as Charles did? Another daughter Lydia had died in march 1871, also buried at Victoria Park cemetery - of Mail Coach Yard aged 13months Grave 12473 receipt 4883months
It all seems very strange.
It has taken me years to track down this family in the census
In 1871/1881 they are transcribed as Swain
1891 Joseph is living on his own in Brittania Gardens, transcribed as Smain; and the rest of the family living not too far away in Lyndock Street transcribed under the name Lawrence!!! (son William (Bill) is transcribed as Bell Lawrence)
No wonder it has taken me so long to trace them, and now this twin conundrum! Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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