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  • Marriage or baptism of children help please

    Hi all

    Trying to kickstart a dead branch again

    This time the Boag family, my 3xgrt grandparents.

    Mum and Dad;
    Richard Boag (abt 1801, Northumberland), died pre 1851 census
    Mary Ann Unknown (abt 1810, Northumberland) died post 1861.

    Kids;
    Charles abt 1827
    Eliizabeth abt 1830 (my 2xgrt g/m)
    Robert Brown Boag abt 1833
    John William abt 1835
    Mary Ann abt 1837
    David abt 1839
    William abt 1840

    The 1851 shows the family in Wallsend, Northumberland
    HO107; Piece: 2409; Folio: 399; Page: 23

    David Boag 11
    John W Boag 15
    Mary A Boag 44 Head
    Mary A Boag 13
    Thomas Boag 7
    William Boag 9
    Ann Hunter 80 Mother


    the '41 has the family indexed as Beag and William is shown as four months old.

    The IGI doesn't show a marriage for Richard to Mary Ann, and no baptisms for the children except maybe Elizabeth 1830, possibly transcribed as Elizabeth Moad Boag. Variants of the surname are usually Booge and Boig but nothing obvious jumps out. The last three kids don't appear in the bmd either.:(

    Any help with either the marriage, maiden name of Mary Ann or details for any of the kids please.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/

    Joseph Goulson 1701-1780
    My sledging hammer lies declined, my bellows too have lost their wind
    My fire's extinct, my forge decay'd, and in the dust my vice is laid

  • #2
    1851 Ann Hunter, mother - isn't that likely to be Mary Ann's maiden name? Also in 1851, Mary Ann's birthyear would be about 1806/7?
    Last edited by Little Nell; 14-09-08, 16:40.
    ~ with love from Little Nell~
    Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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    • #3
      Possible, from the IGI;

      MARY HUNTER
      Birth: 03 OCT 1809
      Christening: 27 NOV 1809
      Earsdon By North Shields, Northumberland, England

      Parents: Father: THOMAS HUNTER Mother: ANN HUNTER

      Source Information: batch No.: P000241
      Last edited by Little Nell; 14-09-08, 16:48.
      ~ with love from Little Nell~
      Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Little Nell View Post
        1851 Ann Hunter, mother - isn't that likely to be Mary Ann's maiden name? Also in 1851, Mary Ann's birthyear would be about 1806/7?

        The 1806/07 seems to match with the '51 census onwards, the '41 makes her abt 1810 so i'm open minded (rounding up/down etc in the '41).

        I only have the '41 to show the family together and the later returns for place and dates of birth.

        The Robert Brown Boag abt 1833 seems odd though, the '51 shows the mum aged 80 so i wonder if she were perhaps married more than once, possibly first to a Mr Brown?
        http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/

        Joseph Goulson 1701-1780
        My sledging hammer lies declined, my bellows too have lost their wind
        My fire's extinct, my forge decay'd, and in the dust my vice is laid

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        • #5
          Surely its Ann's mother in 1851? She is listed as mother in relation to head of the house, who is Mary Ann Boag.
          ~ with love from Little Nell~
          Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Little Nell View Post
            Surely its Ann's mother in 1851? She is listed as mother in relation to head of the house, who is Mary Ann Boag.
            Mary Ann Boag is head of the house in the '51,

            The ancestry index shows a slightly odd entry;

            Name: Mary A Boag
            [Mary A Hunter]
            Age: 44
            Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
            Relation: Head
            Mother's Name: Ann
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/

            Joseph Goulson 1701-1780
            My sledging hammer lies declined, my bellows too have lost their wind
            My fire's extinct, my forge decay'd, and in the dust my vice is laid

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            • #7
              Oh, you're thinking Brown could be Robert Boag's mother's maiden name? Possibly.
              Last edited by Little Nell; 14-09-08, 16:59.
              ~ with love from Little Nell~
              Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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              • #8
                Glen

                Not an odd entry, just someone figuring that Mary Ann Boag was originally Hunter and posting an alternative.
                ~ with love from Little Nell~
                Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                • #9
                  Somebody, and we don't know who, it may even have been Ancestry themselves, went through the census and picked out any inlaws and ASSUMED their surname was the maiden surname of the female, if that makes sense.

                  It is actually a flaming nuisance because it is not an accurate knowledge of the facts - many of my "mothers" had married several times and finished up with a surname that wasn't the birth surname of the daughter.

                  There is no way of seeing on Ancestry whether a real person has done the correction from knowledge of the family, or whether it is this stupid unnecessary programme.

                  OC

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                  • #10
                    The more recent ones have the name and contact details of the person who did the correction.

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                    • #11
                      So many of my main lines seem to be blighted by either the mother or father dying between the '41 and '51, re-marriage doesn't seem to be a problem as i don't seem to have many in that 10 year period but often there seems to be kids who suddenly appear for one census outing then dissapear for the next two or three.

                      Then of course i seem to have lots of marriages between 1812 and 1837 and i find that period the worst of all to work out.
                      http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/

                      Joseph Goulson 1701-1780
                      My sledging hammer lies declined, my bellows too have lost their wind
                      My fire's extinct, my forge decay'd, and in the dust my vice is laid

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                      • #12
                        John William Boag
                        Christening Date: 28 Jun 1835
                        Tynemouth

                        Courtesy BIVRI via Ancestry.

                        Possibly more listed: England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 - Ancestry.co.uk

                        Robert Brown is down as Robert Bruce - 28 Oct 1832
                        Mary Ann Bruce Boag - 28 Jun 1837
                        Last edited by Orangeblossom; 14-09-08, 21:44.
                        Tracy

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                        • #13
                          Thanks Tracy

                          Looks like a few possibles there, now i wonder what the Brown/Bruce relevance is.

                          I haven't been on Ancestry much with doing the pow and other wiki stuff so i'm a bit behind what's available nowadays.
                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/

                          Joseph Goulson 1701-1780
                          My sledging hammer lies declined, my bellows too have lost their wind
                          My fire's extinct, my forge decay'd, and in the dust my vice is laid

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                          • #14
                            It's a very recent addition. There's one for marriages too, but they're not on it I'm afraid.

                            You could always buy a cert for David or Williams to confirm Mary's maiden name, though that probably wouldn't help in finding the marriage details.
                            Last edited by Orangeblossom; 14-09-08, 22:23.
                            Tracy

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                            • #15
                              The Bishops Transcripts for Wallsend on the new LDS site might be of help for the children - 1833 to 1857 and 1861 to 1871 - as well as burials of the parents. FamilySearch Record Search

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