Please I need some help...

[~Queen.B~]

I hope i get this all out without confusing you all LOL

This is all in QLD, Australia

The man in Question
Charles William Love b.1872/B13456 (parents: Emanuel and Harriet)
m1. Magdalena Frederike Kelk 1895/B17389 (lets call her Maggie)
m2. Catherine Vaughan 1906/C1201 (lets call her Cath)

He had 2 kids to Magdalena (according to QLD BMD)
He had 4 kids to Catherine (according to QLD BMD)

**There are no other Charles William Loves in the QLD BMD database (except for his 1st son to Cath b.1906)**

So yep... all good so far right?? LOL.... I thought so to ;)

According to Ancestry QLD Electoral Rolls

1903 Charles and Maggie in the Oxley area

1905 Charles and Maggie in the Oxley area

1913 Charles and Cath in the Kennedy area
1913 Charles and Maggie in the Moretone area

1919 Charles and Cath in the Herbert area
1919 Charles and Maggie in the Lilley area

1925 Charles and Cath in the Herbert area
1925 Charles and Maggie in the Wide Bay area

1936 Charles and Cath in the Kennedy area
1936 Charles and his daughter Daisy (daughter of Maggie) in the Wide Bay area



Is this the same man?? Are these 2 different men?? I have had this on my tree and now I cant believe I could have it wrong! :(

[Mary from Italy]

I would guess it's two different people - Magdalena Love isn't a common name, and she presumably should have died (or been divorced) before 1906 if it was the same man.

What's his occupation on the electoral rolls?

I think you'll need to get the marriage certs, which should give his parents' names.

[~Queen.B~]

oh....

1913 with maggie - farmer
with cath - tindresser

1919 with maggie - farmer
with cath - tindresser

1925 with maggie - farmer
with cath - labourer

1936 with daughter Daisy - farmer
with cath - labourer

[Mary from Italy]

Nothing in the Qld divorce index:

Indexes - Divorces

[kylejustin]

i agree. either it's the same man being bigamous, or you have two of them.:p

[kylejustin]

maybe ther are more charles' that wernt born in qsld

[~Queen.B~]

They whole family are from QLD from the moment they steped into Australia from England.... I really hope its him being bigamous cause i have my whole tree based around this :(

[Mary from Italy]

The occupations suggest two different people, I'm afraid.

[Mary from Italy]

There are loads of Charles William Love's born in England - it could be any of them.

You definitely need to get the marriage certs.

Do you have the death certs of any of them?

[~Queen.B~]

no I dont :(

[Mary from Italy]

This is why people are always going on about how important it is to get certs

Australian ones in particular are invaluable, because they usually have the parents' names one them.

It should ring a warning bell if you find two marriages for the same man and no death for the first wife.

I do have a case of bigamy on my tree in NSW, but the man's only listed once on each electoral roll, living with one of the women.

[~Queen.B~]

hmm I will get the certs then. Thanks so much for the help

[~Queen.B~]

I just found this Bethania Qld Australia - pafg125 - Generated by Personal Ancestral File half way down the page. They have him with both partners aswell... hmmmm

[Harrys mum]

Boy....that website is like going home. I lived in that area for ages and know family of nearly all of those names.

Now....I'll have a gander and see what's where.

[~Queen.B~]

thanks

[Harrys mum]

Some of that Bethania tree is odd. Can you work out who owns it?? I couldn't.

They don't have any of Catherine and Charles' children on the tree.
They have three children for Charles and Magdalena although I think Vera and Lavinia might be the same child.

Are you trying to track Charles or one of the wives?

I'd get Charles death cert if you can fnd when he died. That should have ALL his children.
Otherwise get Charles and Catherine's marriage cert. That should have his previous wife.
Or the youngest child's birth cert. That should have all the older children.

[~Queen.B~]

Charles is my GG grandfather.. Im trying to work out if I have the right history or not. If the charles that was married to Cath is not the charles that was married to Maggie than i have a BIG stuff up in my tree.

I think ill get charles and caths marriage cert and see if maggie is listed as previous wife.. if she isnt then ill get the his and maggies marriage cert and see if "both" charles have the same parents listed.

that should work hey?

[~Queen.B~]

oh and I emailed the owner, its on this page Bethania Qld Australia

and this is what it says the site is about/for http://home.wanadoo.nl/wouter.busnach/index.htm

[Harrys mum]

I'll have a good look at those sites.

So your line is Catherine's?? I have read several books on the area as they are all in my local library. I'll be there on the weekend and will see what I can find.

There is still a Loves Road at Woongoolba, not far from Bethania.

[~Queen.B~]

Yeah, Catherine and Charles (mygreat great granfather) had Robert Spencer Love, who is my Great Grandfather.
Robert married Irene Collinson
They had my Nan

Thank you so much for the help... and I never knew about a Love road. There are 2 Collinson streets in Cairns named after my Collinson family (im proud lol)