Trying to Find Franklins in Harrow 1800 to 1861

[TrevorFranklin]

John Franklin, born c1836 in Harrow.
Married a Harriet after the 1861 census.

I have found them on the 1881 census,
Source Information:
Dwelling Harrow Weald Rd 6 Pleasant Place
Census Place Harrow, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341330
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1359 / 5
Page Number 4
with children from 1869 onwards and traced the BMD references for all the childrens births, except first child Kate.

All the younger children are registered in Hendon, which is the district for Harrow, but I cannot find the marriage of John to Harriet or the birth of Kate.
I wish to find out when/where they were married, if pos, the 1871 / 1891census for their address/children details and the BMD for Kate.

John's parents were a William and Mary.
William born c1806 in Pinner.
Mary born c1811 in Finchley.
I have them on 1841/1851 census', but not found when they were married, first child Joseph born c1831 in Harrow area.
Any idea where I could look for the marriage records for Harrow?
And any chance of a 1861 census look up for where they were?
William died in 1870, but I have no idea when Mary died.

A lot to ask, but would be most appreciated to 'break down a wall'

Thanks
Trev

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

In 1871 they are in Harrow - John 32 and Harriet 32 - she is born Axmouth and he is a carpenter, so that all fits, but the children are Frederick 5 Alice 4 Emma 3 and Florence 1 - the last three born Pinner, Middlesex.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I think Kate and Emma are one and the same:

Births Jun 1868
FRANKLIN Emma Kate Hendon 3a 105

[Night Owl]

On the 1891 John is with an Elizabeth A aged 40 born Cuddington (?) Herts and Rose 19, and John 16 both born Harrow. Younger John is a carpenter

RG12 piece 1040, folio 72, page 50

Jackie

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Possibly one of these has the wrong page? (I've not checked anything)

Marriages:

Name: John Franklin
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Kensington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 72



Marriages Dec 1864
Cosson James Kensington 1a 92
Hunt Sarah Kensington 1a 92
JONES Harriet St James 1a 92
Prince Harriet Kensington 1a 92 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Tounsin Richard William Kensington 1a 92
Townsin Richard William Kensington 1a 92
West Mary Alice Kensington 1a 92

There's a Harriet Prince b Axbridge 1838/39 on earlier censuses.

[Night Owl]

Re that 1891 - I think the address is 6 Canning Road, Harrow

Jackie

[TrevorFranklin]

Thanks Monty,

You have solved the 'kate' question, narrowed down their marriage date a bit more for me and even added more children who do not appear with them on the 1881 census.
So now to search for any deaths or where they were on 1881.


(so much for going to bed early)

[TrevorFranklin]

Canning road would be correct Jackie,
so may be Harriet has died and he remarried.

I'll need to look at the replies in the morning and start looking through BMD

Anyone had any luck on the William and Mary thing?

Thanks
Trev

[Night Owl]

On 1861 there is a William aged 55 born Pinner labourer ag with wife Sarah aged 51 born Ivinghoe, Bucks and daughter Julia aged 5 born Harrow (also James Phillips boarder, shepherd aged 25) at Old Church Lane, Great Stanmore

RG9 piece 784, folio 53, page 3

Jackie

[TrevorFranklin]

Have found the death of Harriet and John's remarriage on BMD

[TrevorFranklin]

Hi Jackie
I have been told about the 1861 census record you mentioned before, but disregarded it, as it does not connect with any of the information I know about William of Pinner.

on the 1841 census: Harrow on the Hill
William Franklin 35 Ag Lab
Mary 35
Joseph 9
William 6
John 4
#####
1851 census
Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Harrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 1g
Household schedule number: 76
Address: Lodge, Harrow Weald

William Franklin 45, Born PINNER. Occ Ag Lab
Mary Franklin 40, Born Finchley
Joseph Franklin 20 Occ: Apprentice (it doesn't say what trade)
William Franklin 18 Occ: Ag Lab

But yet again, do we have another death of a wife and a remarriage.
Finding where the Sarah and Julia on the 1871 may help if I can tie them in with known siblings from the first marriage

[Night Owl]

There is a death for Mary Ann Franklin Hendon Q/E Sep 1853 Vol 3a page 49

Sarah is a widow in 1871 (charwoman) and Julia is a servant elsewhere (shout if you want the details).

Jackie

[TrevorFranklin]

Hi Night Owl......................
Shout please ;)



I have found the Marriage of a William Franklin in 1855 Hendon Mar 3a 73
And the birth of Julia the following year. None of the possible wives for William on the marriage record in BMD are a Sarah though.
Yet another puzzle

Thanks
Trev

[Night Owl]

1871 Sarah Franklin Head widow charwoman at (something) Cottage aged 59 (or 57 - its not very clear) born Ivanhoe (that's what it says!) Bucks. Also at the address are David Cripps head 26 ag lab b somewhere in Hants, wife Frances L 26 Beaulieu Hants and their son William age ? months also born Beaulieu

Sorry the writing is really unclear

RG10, piece 1325, folio 15, page 24

Jackie

[Little Nell]

I expect Ivanhoe is really Ivinghoe.

[Night Owl]

1871 Julia Franklin aged 15 General Domestic Servant b Harrow. Living in the household of John Compton 34 Mercantile Clerk Mining b East Knoyle, Wilts, wife Jessie 30 ditto for occupation b Chelmsford, Essex and Frank 6 months b Harrow. At 18 Church of England Road, Harrow

RG10, piece 1324, folio 120, page 4

Jackie

[Night Owl]

This page gives lots of info about Harrow records

GENUKI: Middlesex, Harrow on the Hill

Jackie

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

1864 Q4 Prince Harriet Kensington 1a 92 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

This marriage entry has the wrong page number, it should be 72, same as John Franklin.

[TrevorFranklin]

1871 Julia Franklin aged 15 General Domestic Servant b Harrow. Living in the household of John Compton 34 Mercantile Clerk Mining b East Knoyle, Wilts, wife Jessie 30 ditto for occupation b Chelmsford, Essex and Frank 6 months b Harrow. At 18 Church of England Road, Harrow

RG10, piece 1324, folio 120, page 4

Jackie

Not found Julia on 1881 or 1901 census, so could have been married.

Now to be cheeky....
Can the 1891 be checked to see if Julia Franklin born Hendon c1856 is there

That way I can narrow down the dates to search for a marriage and then compare with census.

Thanks
Trev

[TrevorFranklin]

Thanks for the info on the Marriage 'Merry'.
Will order the cert to find out who Harriet's father was.