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  • Death at Sea question

    I know that James Sudder died on 18th Aug 1918 from his Naval record on HMS Scott. I looked in the index on the marine deaths and in the vessels column it says HMS Dido so I am very confused.

    Has anyone got a marine death cert or can explain it?
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  • #2
    Perhaps he was sunk or transferred off HMS Scott and picked up by HMS Dido which might have had a sick bay or was the nearest ship and where he died?

    He was probably still listed as ships company on HMS Scott even with a temporary transfer.

    Have you looked to see what happened to HMS Scott?

    Torpedoed off Dutch Coast -15th August 1918 - Flotilla Leader see link

    Last edited by JBee; 12-08-08, 20:50.



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    • #3
      I don't know if this is of any help, but one of my distant relatives served on Dido in WW1.

      It was originally Actaeus, and was the only Eclipse Class Cruiser not to see active service in the war. She served the destroyer flotillas at Harwich. So your man may have been transferred after being injured, but Dido was never out at sea.
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      • #4
        Thats a bit as I understood that there wasn't anything left of him. I looked up his death on War deaths and he is listed on HMS Scott. There are 2 different ref numbers though. Thanks for the links and the info about Dido.
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        • #5
          from cwgc it says died 15th same as sinking

          Name: SUDDER, JAMES WILLIAM
          Initials: J W
          Nationality: United Kingdom
          Rank: Able Seaman
          Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
          Unit Text: H.M.S. "Scott."
          Age: 35
          Date of Death: 15/08/1918
          Service No: 212429
          Additional information: Long Service and Good Conduct Medal. Son of James Robert and Alice Sudder; husband of Esther Sudder, of 73, Middlegate St., Great Yarmouth.
          Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
          Grave/Memorial Reference: 28.
          Memorial: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL

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          • #6
            Could it be a simple transcription error? 5 and 8 can look very similar.

            I know nothing of military death registration procedures, but if the ship was sunk on the 15th with no survivors PRESUMED, and the bodies were recovered on the 18th, would the 18th be the official date of death?

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            • #7
              These documents raise more questions including the phrase HMS Dido for Scott?

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              • #8
                Pippa, I presume you've seen this:

                HMS Dido

                and this:

                Destroyer histories. Royal naval old destroyer Scott class. Destroyer website dedicated to the history of HMS Bruce, HMS Campbell, HMS Mackay, HMS Douglas, HMS Malcolm, HMS Montrose and HMS Stuart from their launch to their participation in major wars also notice board for families of ex-crew of Scott Class destroyers.
                Last edited by Uncle John; 30-08-08, 19:12.
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