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  • A bit of an exaggeration?

    I have the report of the death of Charles Pratt who was the vicar of Packington, Leicestershire.

    Charles died aged 89 on the 6th November 1908.

    He was born c1820 in Peterborough, Nottinghamshire.


    The newspaper reports that:

    "His father had been incumbent of Packington from 1823 to 1853, and lived to such an age that the present deceased was designated Rev. Charles Pratt, jun. when he was 70 about which time his father died."

    However, the last time I see Charles Pratt Snr, is in 1871:
    Class: RG10; Piece: 1350; Folio: 61; Page: 1

    Charles Pratt Snr is 78 and Charles Pratt Jnr is 51. So, for Charles Pratt Jnr to be in his 70s when his Dad died, Charles Pratt Snr had to be 97+ when he died, but as I said I cannot see any reference to anything after 1871.

    Anyone any ideas?

    Thanks,

    Tom

    Remembering: Cuthbert Gregory 1889 - 1916, George Arnold Connelly 1886 - 1917, Thomas Lowe Davenport 1890 - 1917, Roland Davenport Farmer 1885 - 1916, William Davenport Sheffield 1879 - 1915, Cuthbert Gregory 1918 - 1944

  • #2
    Things are getting closer now... I now have them in 1881, when Charles Pratt Snr is 88, but Charles Pratt Jnr would only be 61.

    Remembering: Cuthbert Gregory 1889 - 1916, George Arnold Connelly 1886 - 1917, Thomas Lowe Davenport 1890 - 1917, Roland Davenport Farmer 1885 - 1916, William Davenport Sheffield 1879 - 1915, Cuthbert Gregory 1918 - 1944

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    • #3
      There's two Charles Pratt deaths (born abt. 1793) in the 1880's.

      1. 1st qrt 1876 Plomesgate Suffolk
      2. 4th qrt 1873 Winchester Hampshire

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      • #4
        Thank you Susan, I don't knw how I managed to miss those though


        How very odd. Although, if it was either of those then Charles Pratt Jnr would still only be in his 50s, not his 70s.

        Remembering: Cuthbert Gregory 1889 - 1916, George Arnold Connelly 1886 - 1917, Thomas Lowe Davenport 1890 - 1917, Roland Davenport Farmer 1885 - 1916, William Davenport Sheffield 1879 - 1915, Cuthbert Gregory 1918 - 1944

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        • #5
          You're welcome Tom.

          Charles junior is on the 1891. RG12; Piece: 2510; Folio 58; Page 17;

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          • #6
            1901 a retired church of England clergyman.

            RG13; Piece: 2971; Folio: 13; Page: 17.

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            • #7
              Yes, so that would suggest that Charles Pratt Snr died between 1891 and 1901 if Charles Pratt Jnr is using the title of Jnr in 1891.
              However, in 1891 Charles Pratt Snr would have been 98!

              Remembering: Cuthbert Gregory 1889 - 1916, George Arnold Connelly 1886 - 1917, Thomas Lowe Davenport 1890 - 1917, Roland Davenport Farmer 1885 - 1916, William Davenport Sheffield 1879 - 1915, Cuthbert Gregory 1918 - 1944

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              • #8
                Tom,

                The census doesn't mention JNR, that was my way of differentiating between the two. Would you like details of the census?

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                • #9
                  Tom

                  Have you seen this? Scroll down to the bit under "Manor" and then the 5th paragraph. I presume this is your man. It suggests CP senior died before 1889 although I can't quite get my head around all the relationships.

                  Parishes - Stanstead St. Margaret's | British History Online

                  Jackie
                  Jackie

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                  • #10
                    oh dear Jackie - that looks complicated!

                    One of Charles Snrs daughters was called Frances Celia and Charles Jnr had a son called Joseph Stephen (who was a Rev., as it happens) and the name Cowper is used as a middle name.

                    I think that will have to wait until tomorrow to have a look into it, but thank you for it - it certainly looks very interesting.


                    Thanks Susan, I have Jnr on all the census, but was trying to find out when his father died and how much truth there was in the article - it seems it was slightly exaggerated.

                    Remembering: Cuthbert Gregory 1889 - 1916, George Arnold Connelly 1886 - 1917, Thomas Lowe Davenport 1890 - 1917, Roland Davenport Farmer 1885 - 1916, William Davenport Sheffield 1879 - 1915, Cuthbert Gregory 1918 - 1944

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                    • #11
                      Looks like he died in 1889

                      CCED: Persons Index

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                      • #12
                        Actually, looking at it, it may not be as complicated as it looks...


                        Charles Pratt Snr was the son of Rev. Joseph Stephen Pratt and Frances Celia Cowper.

                        Frances Celia Cowper had brothers Charles and William Cowper.

                        Their father was called William Cowper, and so was his father, William Cowper whose father was Spencer Cowper who died in 1727.

                        :D

                        Remembering: Cuthbert Gregory 1889 - 1916, George Arnold Connelly 1886 - 1917, Thomas Lowe Davenport 1890 - 1917, Roland Davenport Farmer 1885 - 1916, William Davenport Sheffield 1879 - 1915, Cuthbert Gregory 1918 - 1944

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                        • #13
                          Thank you Susan, I didn't think to look in there for him.

                          This is all very interesting, but I need to go to bed now. Thank you all for your kind help

                          Remembering: Cuthbert Gregory 1889 - 1916, George Arnold Connelly 1886 - 1917, Thomas Lowe Davenport 1890 - 1917, Roland Davenport Farmer 1885 - 1916, William Davenport Sheffield 1879 - 1915, Cuthbert Gregory 1918 - 1944

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                          • #14
                            Just had a bit of a google..... and it would seem that the Cowper's are related to Jane Seymour somewhere along the way!

                            So, I am related to Edward VI but as Charles Pratt isn't a blood rellie then it isn't a blood connection, but it is still nice to know!

                            :D

                            Remembering: Cuthbert Gregory 1889 - 1916, George Arnold Connelly 1886 - 1917, Thomas Lowe Davenport 1890 - 1917, Roland Davenport Farmer 1885 - 1916, William Davenport Sheffield 1879 - 1915, Cuthbert Gregory 1918 - 1944

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