Need all the help I can get,please - updated

[Chrissy Confused]

I have totally lost the plot with my 'Long's', could kind person have alook though to see if I gone wrong and/or where to look next. This is a bit long so thank you for bearing with me.

Constance Harriet Long ( my grandmother)-1908-1983
Born; Sept 1908 Bristol
Marriage; John Penny, 26 March 1929, Rochford Essex
Death; 1983, Reading Berks.

Have her marriage cert

Edward William Long , (on some records down as William)
Born; abt 1869, can't find a birth, Westbury on Trym
Marriage; Ellen Hannah Hailstone, 1st Feb 1895,Westbury on Trym ( have marriage cert)
Death; can't find
Have him on 1871 census with parents and siblings and 1901 with wife and children
Have his sister birth cert, parents as John and Mary (nee White).

John (George possible middle name)
Born; 1826, Christen 1st Jan 1827, Westbury on Trym, (info from disc from Avon and Bristol FHS.)
Marriage; can't find marriage
Death; Dec 1893, Barton Regis
Have him on the 1871,1881 census with wife and kids, 1891 with wife and grandaughter.
Parents John and Harriot ( Strong-Dimond).

John
Born; abt 1806,Berkerley, Gloucestershire.
Marriage; Harriot Strong-Dimond, 30th Jan 1825, St Augustine the less,Bristol, Info from BVRI.
Death; can't find

Baptism for Harriet Dimond-Strong 9th Feb 1806, St James Bristol and possible death 23 July 1838,Slimbridge

The only John I can see on the census is one who is married to an Ann and 2 sons John (age and place fits with John b 1827) and Henry 1832 and I thought this could be a second marriage,sent for cert but was told that yes they got married that day but not to each other!!!!


Just thought a fresh pair of eyes might see/find something that I have missed.

If you have got this far thank you for reading this and I wish you luck...........................................you will need it :D

[Jean and Tonic]

Chrissy... I don't suppose it gave John 1806 occupation on John 1826 baptism?
Jean

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I've only read the first bit of the above.......

John (George possible middle name)
Born; 1826, Christen 1st Jan 1827, Westbury on Trym, (info from disc from Avon and Bristol FHS.)
Marriage; can't find marriage
Death; Dec 1893, Barton Regis
Have him on the 1871,1881 census with wife and kids, 1891 with wife and grandaughter.
Parents John and Harriot ( Strong-Dimond).

I think this may be their marriage:

Marriages Dec 1845
LONG John Thornbury 11 753
WHITE Mary Ann Thornbury 11 753

Thornbury covers Alveston where Mary says she was born.

I think you will find in 1851 and 1861 the family are listed as Cook. However, all the childrens birth regs are listed as Long!!

1851:

Thomas Cook 5 b Earthcott
Ann Cook 1 b Earthcott

They fit with

Births Jun 1846 Long Thomas Thornbury 11 495
Births Dec 1850 Long Annie Thornbury 11 471

1861:

Harriett Cook 9 b Westbury
Mary Ann Cook 7 b Westbury
Agnes Cook 5 b Westbury
Ada Cook 3 b Westbury
Jesse Cook 1 b Westbury

Births Jun 1851 Long Harriett Clifton 11 327
Births Mar 1854 Long Mary Ann Clifton 6a 126
Births Sep 1856 Long Agnes Clifton 6a 119
Births Sep 1858 Long Ada Clifton 6a 117
Births Jun 1860 LONG J* Clifton 6a 119
(that last one is Jesse on the GRO index!)

None of the more unusual names can be matched with Cook birth regs.

[Elizabeth Herts]

Chrissie,

There is an EDWARD LONG born J/A/S 1868 Clifton (covers Westbury on Trym) 6a 140.

Could this be him?

[Elizabeth Herts]

I found a Long baby with a Hailstone mother:

Long Gertrude M J
Mar 1917 Bristol 6a 361

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Chrissie,

There is an EDWARD LONG born J/A/S 1868 Clifton (covers Westbury on Trym) 6a 140.

Could this be him?

That's the one I suggested to Chrissie on a previous thread, so I would imagine it's not him. However, there's no obvious deaths before 1871 and I don't remember finding another Edward on that census

[Chrissy Confused]

Jean- No sorry I dont have occupation for john 1806

Merry- you have confused me more than I was before:o

Elizabeth- Yes I think that is his birth, sorry Merry must make better notes and gertude M J was/is my Grandmother sister


Thanks everyone

[Chrissy Confused]

That's the one I suggested to Chrissie on a previous thread, so I would imagine it's not him. However, there's no obvious deaths before 1871 and I don't remember finding another Edward on that census

Don't forget that on some he is down as Edward William or William Edward or Edward or William, just to make life easy :(

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Merry- you have confused me more than I was before

I have no idea why they are called Cook!

Here's the refs:

1861: RG9; Piece: 1740; Folio: 13; Page: 20

1851: HO107; Piece: 1955; Folio: 129; Page: 42

[Chrissy Confused]

Thanks Merry, going to have a look

[Chrissy Confused]

1861:

Harriett Cook 9 b Westbury
Mary Ann Cook 7 b Westbury
Agnes Cook 5 b Westbury
Ada Cook 3 b Westbury
Jesse Cook 1 b Westbury

Births Jun 1851 Long Harriett Clifton 11 327
Births Mar 1854 Long Mary Ann Clifton 6a 126
Births Sep 1856 Long Agnes Clifton 6a 119
Births Sep 1858 Long Ada Clifton 6a 117
Births Jun 1860 LONG J* Clifton 6a 119
(that last one is Jesse on the GRO index!)

None of the more unusual names can be matched with Cook birth regs.

The only thing that bother's me is why is there no mention of Mary b 1860, twin of Jesse

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Where have you seen her?

[Chrissy Confused]

info sent to me by a member on this site when I first join


Children for John and Mary

Lucy Ada christ 8/5/1864.....birth entry march 1864 clifton 6a 158
Mary Annis (could be mistranscribed) Christ 14/10/1860
Thomas christ 4/5/1862
William Edward Christ 5/7/1868
George christ 8/7/1866
Jesse Thomas christ 14/10/1860

Have copied as it was sent to me

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Two children baptised on the same day don't have to be twins. What was the source of the baptisms?

[Chrissy Confused]

I have no idea, she doesn't say where she got the info from,sorry

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Oh dear!!

Pity none of the earlier children are included. It's interesting that Jesse has gained an extra forename.....shows this family tended to add names after registration, which could be useful for your Edward/William!

Will check the BIVRI as I know some Westbury records are on it.........

[Chrissy Confused]

Thanks Merry, I sometime wish they weren't my ancestor :D

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

From the BIVRI:

LONG, Ada Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Sep 1858 Recorded in: Westbury on Trym, Gloucestershire, England
Father: John LONG
Mother: Mary
Source: FHL Film 1596411 Dates: 1813 - 1888

All the rest are the dates you have from your contact. They just missed the above one.

[Chrissy Confused]

Thanks Merry, Ada is on the 1861 census you found so knew about her, does the BIVRI have deaths/Buriel on?

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

'Fraid not!!