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    Hi
    not come across this before in the birth indexes the part underlined can anyone tell what it means
    Albert Heyes, 1912, J/F/M quarter, St Helens, MMN Cuncliffe, 10 F see S/51
    GWEN

  • #2
    I would imagine it means see September 1951. An amendment to the original certificate.

    OR - it could mean see the registrar's correction number 51 in 1912!

    OC

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    • #3
      If you look at Q3 1951 you will see the registration there too. So his birth was registered or re-registered in 1951 but he was born in 1912.

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      • #4
        Thanks for that will I have trouble ordering the cert?
        GWEN

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        • #5
          I think you would be best to order it as 1951.

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          • #6
            Thanks Merry
            just wondering why he was registered in 1951
            GWEN

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            • #7
              I don't know. I looked to see if he was originally registered under Cunliffe, but doesn't seem to be. Maybe he just wasn't registered at all in 1912.

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              • #8
                Gwen

                I don't think it matters which version you order, you will only get the most recent cert.

                It may be something as simple as a spelling mistake on his original cert which wasn't picked up at the time, but which annoyed him immensely when he was 39!

                OC

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                • #9
                  Thanks Merry and old Crone
                  Will order the cert and see what happens
                  GWEN

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                  • #10
                    Let us know when it comes Gwen

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                    • #11
                      Will do Merry, just hope it is the right one I want going to ask them to check a few things to make sure.
                      thanks to you all
                      GWEN

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                      • #12
                        My great-grandfather born and registered 1862 had a correction done to the birthplace on his birth cert in 1918 but there is nothing in the index about it - the correction was just done to the certificate in its original place. This sounds more like a reregistration or never registered in 1912 only in 1951.
                        Last edited by KiteRunner; 04-07-08, 14:57.
                        KiteRunner

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                        • #13
                          Ooh, now I've had a look, I think I've figured it out! St Helens was not a district in 1912 - it would have come under Prescot district. And there was an Albert H Cunliffe birth registered in Prescot district Mar 1912, MMN Cunliffe. So I bet the H stood for Heyes, and his parents got married some times after he was born. There may be something marked on that Cunliffe registration but I haven't got time to check the image just now as I have to go and pick up my daughter from school. But I bet that's what happened.
                          KiteRunner

                          Every five years or so I look back on my life and I have a good... laugh"
                          (Indigo Girls, "Watershed")

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                          • #14
                            Well done, Kate! I reckon you are right.

                            EDIT - perhaps a little more complicated though - I found these on Lancsbmd

                            Albert H Cunliffe 1912 St Helens SH/318/67
                            Albert C Hayes 1912 St Helens SH/318/100

                            Looks as if he was registered as Cunliffe first, then she (or someone) changed their mind and registered him as Hayes. Unless these two entries are cross indexing, although I would expect them to have the same reference number.

                            OC
                            Last edited by Olde Crone Holden; 04-07-08, 15:15.

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                            • #15
                              i just had a look at the 1912 registration and it is written in ink at the bottom of a page of printed names it looks like it was put in later
                              so possible that albert wasnt registered in 1912, so maybe in later life he needed a birth certificate and there wasnt one for him,
                              ie needed it for a passport or to join the forces,

                              just a wild guess here,

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                              • #16
                                Well done Kite! I hadn't noticed St Helens didn't exist in 1912., so was looking in the wrong district.


                                Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
                                Well done, Kate! I reckon you are right.

                                EDIT - perhaps a little more complicated though - I found these on Lancsbmd

                                Albert H Cunliffe 1912 St Helens SH/318/67
                                Albert C Hayes 1912 St Helens SH/318/100

                                Looks as if he was registered as Cunliffe first, then she (or someone) changed their mind and registered him as Hayes. Unless these two entries are cross indexing, although I would expect them to have the same reference number.

                                OC
                                OC, won't the second of those records from Lancs BMD refer to the 1950's re-registration?

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                                • #17
                                  Gwen, Unless you already have his marriage cert you will need the birth cert as there are two Heyes Cunliffe marriages in Prescot - the more likely one in 1912 and another in 1918. There are some others in different areas too! I would have thought it was a fairly unlikely name pairing, but obviously not!

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                                  • #18
                                    I have the marriage cert it arrived today so I know the name of his father (mind you beginging to wonder!!) so can ask the GRO to check I am applying for the right one.
                                    I am confused now which one do I apply for the one reg as Cunliffe or Heyes I suspect Heyes as it will give the fathers name.
                                    I am doing this research for a family member and I always find it harder when it is not your own family.
                                    GWEN

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                                    • #19
                                      Merry the marriage you found in prescot is one of the mens name Thomas?
                                      GWEN

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                                      • #20
                                        Merry you are a star found the marriage you are talking about and his name is Thomas. I am having a bad day had two marr/Certs arrive today and thought I would get on with this family and got no where really but now I have thanks
                                        Last edited by Gwen@coggiecorner; 04-07-08, 15:45.
                                        GWEN

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