Migration from Scotland to England

[Rachel Scand]

Is there any way I can find out the approximate year my Scottish lot arrived in London ?

They are in Scotland for the 1871 census and in England from 1881 ....


One of them was a Cabinet Maker aged abt 23 (1881) so I'm assuming he would have been apprenticed somewhere but don't know how to find out. That might help with the date

[Little Nell]

Tricky!

Not sure about apprenticeship papers at that date. Whereabouts in England were they in 1881? Might they be in a trades directory?

[Rachel Scand]

Just remembered one of his younger brothers is an apprentice Carpenter (1881) .... he's in Fulham (aged 15)

The Cabinet Maker is in Chelsea with mum and some siblings

Does that get me anywhere Nell ? can't do joined up thinking today

[Rachel Scand]

Hi Ben
Hey .... good thinking :D

I'm soooo dopy today ....
There's a marriage in 1877 ... Islington for one of the sisters and a birth 4Q 1876 ... Chelsea (child of another sister).


Right can I narrow it down further ? any more ideas ?

[Little Nell]

Birth cert for earliest child born in London will give you an address. You can then try the relevant archives to check rent books, street directories etc. Not saying you'll find anything mind you!

[Rachel Scand]

Their father was born in England and was a domestic Coachman to Lord Belhaven .... so did they travel by coach or take the train from Scotland ?

anyone feeling psychic ?

[Rachel Scand]

That's interesting Nell
I'd been trying not to spend any more money on certs .... but I think maybe it's time to go for this 1876 birth.
Her mother never married and gave her the middle name of Brand, which I've always assumed was the surname of the father .... maybe he'll be mentioned

[Raven]

Rachel I narrowed my ancestors moving from Ireland to Scotland through the birth of one of the children... I have it down to between 1861 and 1863 but that is as near as I can get mine...

[Olde Crone Holden]

Rachel

I would imagine by the 1870s, they would have travelled by train. It was cheap and about as fast as it is today, lol.

A coach journey on the other hand would have taken several days and required accommodation over night, so not so cheap. Not even entirely sure that coaches were still a favoured form of travel as late as the 1870s?

OC

[Rachel Scand]

I always imagine that train journeys were faster then :D

gt gt grandfather was still a Coachman in 1891 .... he'd evidently taken 'his nibs' down to Brighton so I wondered if the whole Belhaven family had tired of Scotland in the 1870s and moved to their London house or Lord Belhaven needed to be near the House of Lords

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I always imagine that train journeys were faster then :D

gt gt grandfather was still a Coachman in 1891 .... he'd evidently taken 'his nibs' down to Brighton so I wondered if the whole Belhaven family had tired of Scotland in the 1870s and moved to their London house or Lord Belhaven needed to be near the House of Lords

Wouldn't they have used the London house whilst the Lords were sitting and then gone back to Scotland for the rest of the year?

[Rachel Scand]

Wouldn't they have used the London house whilst the Lords were sitting and then gone back to Scotland for the rest of the year?

hmmm don't know ... but my family does not reappear in Scotland on the other censuses and no more children are born in Scotland ... that's all

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

All the censuses are taken late March early April, so I would have thought that would mean the House of Lords chap would always be in London as the House would still be running. I think parliament closed before the weather warmed up, so the important people could get out of London before they caught some lurgy or other - cholera?? Maybe this was a little earlier than you are talking about though!

[Rachel Scand]

I was just re-reading a bit about Chopin nipping over to visit Lady Belhaven at Wishaw House (Lanark) but that was 1848, which is of no help whatsoever :D

It does say that the London season ended in July ...




Wonder what was going on in Sussex 1891 census .... gt gt granpa (Coachman domestic servant) is alone in a house in Hove and there are a number of other coachmen on the other census pages

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Does the property have a name? Sometimes if it's an important person's home you can find something in an online newspaper.

[Rachel Scand]

No it's just no 11 .... it says 3 rooms occupied but on the line above it looks as if nos 9 and a half, 11 & 12 are uninhabited

here's the link

- Ancestry.co.uk


William is schedule no 73

[Olde Crone Holden]

And don't forget, the shootin' season started on the glorious twelfth - any Scottish Landowner who was still breathing would be up there in August.

OC

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Hmmm, there's a cook and her son there in 1881, so that's no help!

[Rachel Scand]

Oooo look here's no 2 for sale

Winkworth - House for sale in Brunswick Street East, Hove, East Sussex, BN3

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I think number 11 must still be an old property (like the one in that photo) as I saw some details of someone wanting planning permission to do something with the cellar.

Re the one for sale......they have the same wall tiles in their bathroom as we do! lol