Help my research is in tatters

[Pippa Doll]

I have been to Leics Archives today to confirm the research that I have been given about my Waterfields. The information that has been shared is:

1. RICHARD WATERFIELD was born 1744 in Leicestershire, Thringstone. He married HANNAH STENSON1 31 Dec 1761 in Belton.



ADM158/3. Richard enlisted 23 December 1768, aged 24 years, Height 5ft 6 and half inches, Hair brown, complexion brown,enlisted in Nottingham.



More About RICHARD WATERFIELD:
Occupation: Victualer


Children of RICHARD WATERFIELD and HANNAH STENSON are:
i. ANN4 WATERFIELD1, b. 1769.



2. ii. WILLIAM WATERFIELD, b. 1771, Leicestershire, Thringstone; d. 21 Jan 1853, Leicestershire, Mountsorrel.
3. iii. JOHN WATERFIELD, b. 1772, Leicestershire, Coleorton.
iv. SAMUEL WATERFIELD1, b. 17741; d. 17741.



4. v. THOMAS WATERFIELD, b. 1774, Leicestershire, Coleorton.
vi. SAMUEL WATERFIELD1, b. 1776, Leicestershire, Coleorton.



vii. GEORGE WATERFIELD1, b. 01 Sep 1777, Leicestershire, Coleorton.



viii. DANIEL WATERFIELD1, b. 1778, Leicestershire, Coleorton.



ix. JONATHAN WATERFIELD1, b. 1781, Leicestershire, Coleorton.

I am descended from Thomas who moves to Mansfield. I am happy with the information from his marriage to the present day. However as there are not any PR records in Coleorton about these Waterfield children of Richard's and Hannah's how does everyone know that it is correct?

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Non-conformist?

Can you ask your contact where they sourced the info?

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I'd be very bothered that they didn't have any children for so long after the marriage and then the minute he enlists there are kids popping out all over the place!

[Little Nell]

IGI has this

Richard Waterfield
Birth: About 1744 Thringstone, Leicester, England
Spouse: Hannah Stenson Family
Marriage: 02 DEC 1761 Belton, Leicester, England
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church

Although personal submissions can be suspect and birth details are vague, the marriage giving an exact date and place does give one more confidence. Did you check Belton parish registers?

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

There are IGI submitted records with proper dates showing some of those children as the children of Samuel and Mary (I checked Daniel and Jonathan)

George has the right parents. I haven't checked the others.

[Little Nell]

I see the marriage date doesn't fit with the one you have!

[Pippa Doll]

I know it scares me too. The Belton records were very jumbled so I was unable to see if there was a marriage but there is an extracted marriage on the IGI for Belton. I thought it was odd that they started having children as soon as he enlists too as what where they doing for 7 years?

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Maybe we should start at the beginning?!

How do you know where your Thomas Waterfield was born?

[Little Nell]

Oh dear:

Thomas Waterfield
Christening: 19 FEB 1774 Coleorton, Leicester, England
Parents:
Father: James Waterfield
Mother: Sarah

Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church.

[Pippa Doll]

This is what I know:

1839 Examination of Margaret the wife of Thomas Waterfall of Mansfield FWK concerning the place of her husband's last legal settlement. Taken the oath before 2 Justices of the peace 9th July 1839. Who upon her oath said that she is about 65 years of age and was born as the hath verily believes in Doncaster in the City of York of parents who were legaly settled there - that this was married to her husband by banns at Mansfield about 31 years ago that this had 3 children by her husband namely John, Hannah and Thomas. John and Hannah are dead and Thomas is able to and does maintain himself as is not removable that this with her husband and three children and two children by her husband's former wife were removed from Mansfield by an order of the magistrates about 23 years ago to Thringstone, Leic sd her husband's last legal place of settlement appealed against the order wasfied by Notts Petty Sessions and was confirmed and her husband. They then returned to Mansfield with a certificate from Thringstone. Husband was born at Thringstone and had not gained settlement in his own right. Her husband is dangerously ill.

[Little Nell]

Thomas Waterfall of Mansfield born Thringstone- how does he fit in with Thomas Waterfield born in Coleorton?

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Right....and his age at death was????

[Pippa Doll]

Waterfall, Waterfield and Waterfull appear to be all inter changeable.

[Little Nell]

But Thringstone and Coleorton aren't are they? Though I see they are near eachother on the A512.

[Pippa Doll]

I know that he died before the 1841 census as Margaret is all alone.

[Mary from Italy]

Waterfall, Waterfield and Waterfull appear to be all inter changeable.

That's a bit of a sweeping statement...

[samesizedfeet]

I can't see a death for her "dangerously ill" husband on ancestry.

Have you found a death and got the certificate? does the age fit with the suggested birth date?

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

You particularly need his death cert for age as she was his second wife, so it's more likely that he is older than her.

[Pippa Doll]

Thringstone Church was built in 1862 according to Thringstone on the web.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Any mileage in tracking down the previous removal order? This might give a more accurate place/date of birth, as he would be the one answering the questions.

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