Not at all sure about that one. Condet... something? I can't see a recognisable Latin word in it. Are these RC baptisms? I see all the godparents are called "sp" (sponsor), except for Esther's - she gets a patronus. Don't know if that's significant.
Think the word is "conditionalite" meaning a conditional baptism, which I presume is the RC equivalent of a private baptism?
No, it's not, I've just remembered - a conditional baptism is performed when someone is not sure if they have been baptised or not, so I would imagine Esther to be more than a child.
Yes they are Roman Catholic records. What is the difference between a sponsor and a patronus, I thought they were the same :(
I think that William Malpass Snr the Patronus was her grandad, dont know if that makes a difference!
Sara
Researching Clarke, Malpass, Flavell, Bate in Gornal / Sedgley and Hingley, Herring, Wainwright, Parker Stourbridge / Kingswinford
What is the difference between a sponsor and a patronus, I thought they were the same :(
I know nothing about RC records, I'm afraid, I just wondered if there might be some difference. Can't think what that other word can be. Conditional? Indeterminate?
Patronus (plural patroni) was part of the social customs of Ancient Rome, a social term that referred to the senior party in one of several social relationships
Sounds as though the grandfather was the senior party?
I know it isn't a proper latin word, but many priests didn't write proper latin!
I think the C of E also does/did conditional baptisms, I have a vague memory of reading about it on here.
It sometimes followed a private baptism, which was done by a lay person, usually in an emergency. If the Vicar/Priest was not SURE that the proper words and form had been used in a private baptism, he would conditionally baptise the child again, in the knowledge that God would select whichever was the proper baptism.
The "conditionally" bit was "on condition that this person has not already been baptised". The words of the service are slightly different (C of E, don't know about the RC, but expect it is the same)
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