Yee Gadd's-- another Captain!

[patbee]

Just when I think I have found all the answers another name pops up--

Found on Rootsweb 3 family trees with a Captain John Gadd,b 28 Feb, 1802 Birdham Sussex, to William Gadd and Elizabeth Russell. I have been able to connect with one person about this tree, unfortunately they have no other information about him and cannot verify the mother's surname as Russell.



and another coincidence is that one of the children of this Captain John ended up in Australia and started his life there--

If this Captain John was indeed born to William and Elizabeth Russell then he would be my Captain Henry Gadd's uncle, as this John(1802) and my captain's father ,Henry(1784) would have been brothers. Quite a time span ,but the last child I have documented being born to Wm. and Eliz. was in 1798, in Widley, Hants, Sussex.

****Now, I really need to know for sure ---so am asking once again for help---does anyone here have access to baptism records for Birdham and could do a look up for me to verify that the mother's surname was indeed Russell.

Everything I have seen so far just says Elizabeth, even IGI record.

Thanking everyone--

[KiteRunner]

Before we get started on this, it may sound like a silly question but since it has been known for parents to give their children first names such as "Doctor", "Squire" and so on - was Captain their rank (and if so, what were they captains of?) or their first name?

[BridgetM]

The Sussex Marriage Index shows that -
William GADD married Elizabeth RUSSELL 18 Jun 1783 @ Birdham, Sussex by license issued 17 Jun 1783 Chichester.
William was of Chidham (2 yrs) yeoman, bach, 26
Elizabeth was of Birdham (1 mth) sp, 22
Sponsers were William Gadd; William RAPSON of Chichester victualler (Birdham)

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

The bap for John Gadd is on the IGI:

JOHN GADD
Parents:
Father: WM. GADD
Mother: ELIZABETH
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record

Whilst IGI transcriptions don't always include all the info on the baptism record, it would be extremely unusual for the mother's maiden name to be recorded if the couple were married.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

the last child I have documented being born to Wm. and Eliz. was in 1798, in Widley, Hants, Sussex.

Widley, Hants?

That's about 10 miles from Birdham. They might have returned there I suppose. There are no other "William and Elizabeth" baps in Birdham around that time.

Do you know where William and Elizabeth died?

[KiteRunner]

Whilst IGI transcriptions don't always include all the info on the baptism record, it would be extremely unusual for the mother's maiden name to be recorded if the couple were married.

... except in Norfolk, of course!

[KiteRunner]

One possibility is to look for Russell wills in the right area and right time to see if any of them mention Elizabeth under her married name, and particularly if they mention her children by name.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

... except in Norfolk, of course!

I don't have any Norfolk rellies! :(

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

lol Did you know that at the same time this was happening:

ELIZABETH RUSSELL
Marriages:
Spouse: WILLIAM GADD
Marriage: 18 JUN 1783 Birdham, Sussex, England
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

this was happening:

Elizabeth Russell
Birth: 11 FEB 1759 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Marriages:
Spouse: William Gadd
Marriage: 18 JUN 1783 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Messages: Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church.

:D

[Uncle John]

Who says that teleporting started with Star Trek?

[patbee]

Before we get started on this, it may sound like a silly question but since it has been known for parents to give their children first names such as "Doctor", "Squire" and so on - was Captain their rank (and if so, what were they captains of?) or their first name?

Thanks for looking into this for me-
this is the informtion on this tree I found

Name: John GADD , Captain
Surname: Gadd
Given Name: John
Suffix: , Captain
Sex: M
Birth: 28 Feb 1802 in Birdham, Sussex, UK
Death: 10 Dec 1838 in Chitchester England
_UID: B448A091FB753B4FB8AAE6657DF516F24E29
Occupation: 1838 Seaman
Change Date: 24 Jul 2004 at 16:28:44

Father: William GADD b: 1756 in Sidlesham, UK
Mother: Elizabeth RUSSELL b: 11 Feb 1759 in Fareham, Hampshire, UK

Marriage 1 Mary HOLMES b: ABT 1804 in England
Married: 3 Mar 1828 in Sub Deaney Church Chitchester England
Children
William GADD b: 22 Oct 1837 in Chitchester England
Henry GADD b: 2 Sep 1832
Mary GADD b: 9 Oct 1832 and this makes me question about accuracy-- 2 other children born/ch. in 1832??


His son William died in Australia

ID: I507
Name: William GADD
Surname: Gadd
Given Name: William
Sex: M
Birth: 22 Oct 1837 in Chitchester England
Death: 19 Dec 1915 in Molong Hospital Buried Molong Cem.
Burial: Molong, (no marker to his grave)
_UID: 100C53244E0DC64B84E4033CEFAAA9543CA2
Change Date: 24 Jul 2004 at 16:28:44

Father: John GADD , Captain b: 28 Feb 1802 in Birdham, Sussex, UK
Mother: Mary HOLMES b: ABT 1804 in England

Marriage 1 Hannah Allen BENNETT b: 24 Jan 1848 in Wellington NSW Australia
Married: 31 May 1867 in Johns Church Molong

I haven't started tracking down these births as yet. I will be doing that today.

Thanks
Pat[/SIZE]

[patbee]

The Sussex Marriage Index shows that -
William GADD married Elizabeth RUSSELL 18 Jun 1783 @ Birdham, Sussex by license issued 17 Jun 1783 Chichester.
William was of Chidham (2 yrs) yeoman, bach, 26
Elizabeth was of Birdham (1 mth) sp, 22
Sponsers were William Gadd; William RAPSON of Chichester victualler (Birdham)

Thanks Bridget-- this is what I have also, and from the research history of the Gadds I recieved a few weeks ago ,it also tells me about the children I have for them , other than John (1802),and where they were christened..along with parents names.
This is why I am looking for a William Gadd and Elizabeth Russell having this son John in 1802--
Thanks for looking for me.
Pat

[patbee]

Widley, Hants?

That's about 10 miles from Birdham. They might have returned there I suppose. There are no other "William and Elizabeth" baps in Birdham around that time.

Do you know where William and Elizabeth died?

William died--1803
Burial
26 Mar 1803
Birdham, West Sussex
He died Intestate. Power of Administration was given to his widow Elizabeth on 14 March 1804.
??? would this POA have children's names in it do you know??

Elizabeth-1816

06 Mar 1816
Birdham, West Sussex

Of the 5 children I have documented for them-the first 2 baptised in Southwick, Hants, 3rd in Farlington Hants, 4th in Southwick Hants ,and 5th in Widley Hants

Thanks for your help.

[patbee]

lol Did you know that at the same time this was happening:

ELIZABETH RUSSELL
Marriages:
Spouse: WILLIAM GADD
Marriage: 18 JUN 1783 Birdham, Sussex, England
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

this was happening:

Elizabeth Russell
Birth: 11 FEB 1759 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Marriages:
Spouse: William Gadd
Marriage: 18 JUN 1783 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Messages: Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church.

:D

LOLOLOL!!!___and so I am sitting here laughing my head off as well!! The "ghosts" of these ancestors are playing tricks me thinks!!

From this tree on Rootsweb there is this about Elizabeth and her marriage.
Name: Elizabeth RUSSELL
Surname: Russell
Given Name: Elizabeth
Sex: F
Birth: 11 Feb 1759 in Fareham, Hampshire, UK
_UID: B041F5FC6760CA468DFE4054D5B791E1D649
Event: Also known as 1783 Elizabeth signature looks like Restall on marriage
Event: Witness to marriage 1783 John Osborne, curate Rob Edwards
Change Date: 24 Jul 2004 at 16:28:44

and from my research records for her and William I do not have a christening date-- -all it says , Elizabeth Russell- birth--ca, 1761, no place-

thanks for the morning chuckle for me!! ha ha
Pat

[patbee]

Who says that teleporting started with Star Trek?

:D Definitely a tad "out of this world" LOL

So my hunt is on to start with finding the parish record for a baptism for this John, born 1802 to William and Elizabeth-- as well as finding a will for Elizabeth.

I will be posting a query to the OPC for Birdham today to see if she can find this record.

Thank you everyone for all your help and suggestions.

having a great day here in British Columbia!!
Pat

[patbee]

Update---Captain John Gadd--

I received a response from this "new found cousin" in Australia who had the Gadd tree on rootsweb.

hello Pat!!
My name is Jennifer Schuemann, nee Vandine. I live in Sydney

I will give you a brief outline of my tree

# My mothers name is Barbara Anne Hadaway, born 8th March 1933 who married my father Neville John Vandine, born 5th July 1930 they married 7th July 1951

# My fathers parents were William Henry Vandine born c 1836 New York, whaler, married *Mary Anne Senior, in Sydney 1864

# Mums parents were Ada Maggie Natal Gadd born 15/06/1902 died 21/05/1979 she married Ernest Ronald Sydney Hadaway 03/10/1923

# Ada's parents were James Gadd born 14/01/1873 Molong NSW and *Emily Annie Senior born 18/05/1876

*Mary Anne Senior and Thomas Senior (Emily Annies father) were siblings.

# Ada's grandparents were William Gadd born 1825 Chitchester England and Hannah Allen Bennett born 24/01/1848 Wellington NSW they married 31/05/1867 Molong NSW

# Ada's great grandparents were Mary Holmes born 03/03/1805 Chitchester UK and John Gadd born 28/02/1802 Chitchester they married 3/03/1828 Sub Deaney Church Chitchester
# Ada's Great great grandparents Elizabeth Russell and William Gadd married 18/06/1783

# William Gadd born 1825 Chitchester arrived in Sydney on the ship " New Grand Britain" 9th Jan 1857, as an immigrant. He is the only Gadd listed on the ships name list.

Needless to say I am just a tad pleased!!
We will be keeping in touch as she has sent 5 other emails with information-- The gates have opened and the information is flooding in!

Maybe I should go out and buy a Lotto ticket???;)

Thanks to all here for your responses and help.

:D May the "gene" gods smile on everyone and produce results to your quests!!

Cheers, Pat

[Uncle John]

Pat - perhaps you could tell her that Chichester doesn't have a t in the middle.

[Phoenix]

[quote=patbee;1221144]William died--1803
Burial
26 Mar 1803
Birdham, West Sussex
He died Intestate. Power of Administration was given to his widow Elizabeth on 14 March 1804.
??? would this POA have children's names in it do you know??

QUOTE]

No, sorry.

[patbee]

Pat - perhaps you could tell her that Chichester doesn't have a t in the middle.

Hi there Uncle John,

;)yes, I noticed that right off and in my letter back to her I made mention of it. Before we add any of her information to the tree that will be changed.

cheers, Pat

[patbee]

[QUOTE=Phoenix;1224488]

William died--1803
Burial
26 Mar 1803
Birdham, West Sussex
He died Intestate. Power of Administration was given to his widow Elizabeth on 14 March 1804.
??? would this POA have children's names in it do you know??

QUOTE]

No, sorry.

thanks Phoenix for that information-- I am sorry too-:(-
Cheers, Pat