The winner of WDWTYA? 15th May 2008 is.......

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

It_Is_I_Leclerc

Well done!!!

[Margaret in Burton]

Well Done

Fire away with your brick walls

[Northern Light]

Well done and I hope your walls come tumbling down..

[borobabs]

Congratulations hope you get some of your brick wall or mysteries solved ;;

[It_Is_I_Leclerc]

Thanks for the opportunity, just come in from work, give me 10 mins to get my cuppa and find my bits of paperwork, and then I'll be back.

L

Right here we go. Looking for Schofield & Sutcliffe families.

1838

25/11/1838 Oldham Parish Church maariage of

William Schofield Full Age Bachelor Labourer Address Oldham Father John Schofield
Sarah Ann Sutcliffe Full Age Spinster No Occ. Address Oldham Father Dead

1841 Census H0107/0548/13/F3/P30
Downing St Royton Oldham

William Schofield 25 Cotton Weaver Born in County
Sarah Schofield 20 Cotton Weaver Born in County

1851 Census H0107/2243/F257/P14

Name Age Rel. Occ. Born
Sally Scholes 64 Head ? Chadderton
Richard Scholes 30 Son Cotton Weaver Royton
Ellen Scholes 27 Dau do do
Ann Scholes 25 Dua Cotton Winder do
William Schofield 34 Son Cotton Weaver do
Sarah Schofield 30 Sons Wife do do
Elizabeth Schofield 7 G Dau N/A Oldham

I have full traceabilty of the Schofields from these dates forward, but the questions I now ask (bearing in mind I only got the MC today) is

1) We have John Schofield as Williams father, when was he born & where and when/when did he die?
2) When did he marry Sally?
3) Who was Sally prior to marriage
4) When did she marry again.
5) Who was Sarah 's family.

Thats my starter I'll start on the others shortly, and many thanks in advance to all who try/contribute to this.

L

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

There's a baptism on the IGI for Richard Scholes in 1822 at Royton showing his parents as John Scholes and Sally. (I excpet there are baps for some/all of the otehr Scholes - I haven't looked)

This looks like their marriage. Sally is a diminutive of Sarah:

JOHN SCHOLES
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH SCHOFIELD
Marriage: 19 MAY 1817 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

John Scholes was still alive in 1841:

HO107; Piece 548; Book: 13; Civil Parish: Prestwich Cum Oldham; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 30; Page: 16; Line 3

They are transcribed as Schoker on Ancestry!

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

It's not going to be so easy to find the first marriage of Sally/Sarah to john Schofield as we can't be certain when/where they married and don't know her maiden name....

[It_Is_I_Leclerc]

Thanks Merry

I'd seen that marriage but I must admit I'd dismissed it because of the Sarah, I'll need to try to find a John Schofield / Sarah marriage rather than a JS/Sally one now. For long enough I'd thought that the Scholes was a miss spelling of Schofield, however after finally getting the MC for William, it now does definately appear that Sally/Sarah has been married twice Schofield/Scholes

L

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

There are some baps for the children of John and Sally Schofield in Royton on the IGI (some of them very odd names!) but I can't see William.

I have to go out now.............

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Thanks Merry

I'd seen that marriage but I must admit I'd dismissed it because of the Sarah,

L

My first name is Sarah. When I was born my grandfather asked what I would be called and when told said, "Oh, never mind, I suppose you could call her Sally"

[It_Is_I_Leclerc]

Having another look on the IGI, there are a number of John Schofield marriages in Oldham to any number of Sally's and Sarah's, without knowing what her maiden name was I appear stumped.
No luck on the OPC's neither for the marriage, baptism of William or John's death.

I have found what seems to be Sarah Ann's baptism
09/11/1817 St Mary's Oldham
father Ged Sutliffe
mother Fanny,
a least I can get on following that up.

My 2nd problem is
John Ellison born abt 1807 in Hawarden in Flintshire he married Catherine ?? abt 1829, she is on the 1841 census in Little Neston Cheshire with the children but he isn’t.
He remarried Bridget Lewis in OND 1850, after her first husband died in Ness Colliery in 1838.
John and Bridget were not living together in the 1851 census, he was with his children in Little Neston but described as married, and she was with her children in Ness, but she was also described as married, and listed as Bridget Ellison.
The wall is I can’t find John or Bridget after 1851

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Have you checked out this death?

Deaths Sep 1851
ELLISON John Wirral 19 236

[JDGen]

Catherine ELLISON burial

Could this be the burial record for Catherine ELLISON:

23 Dec 1849 Neston aged 45

From CPRdb - Version v3.3 - 7 March 2005

[JDGen]

Children's Baptisms

The baptisms of children of John and Catherine are also on the site with full details from the parish register:

John 1833 died 1833
John 1835
Sarah 1840
Peter 1843
Kate 1848

Jean

[JDGen]

Marriage of John and Bridget

Cheshire Births Marriages & Deaths shows that they married at Birkenhead St Mary and that Bridget's maiden name was STANLEY.

Jean

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

You don't have Catherine Ellison's maiden name. This birth cert should tell you:

Births Sep 1843
ELLISON Peter Wirral 19 309

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Cheshire Births Marriages & Deaths shows that they married at Birkenhead St Mary and that Bridget's maiden name was STANLEY.

Jean

I thought her previous name was supposed to be Lewis?

UPDATE: Oh I get it....Cheshire BMD has two entries for her....one Lewis and the other Stanley. That's very useful. I don't have any relatives from places that have online indexes, so I'm not used to them!

[JDGen]

Hi Merry,

It shows 2 surname for her, LEWIS and STANLEY - I presumed that she was a widow named LEWIS when they married. (never presume! )

Jean

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Pity I can't find a marriage for Bridget Stanley to Mr Lewis :(