Barnet rosenthal - tailor

[quiffdo]

Hello all

I was just wondering if anybody could please help me narrow down when my Barnet Rosenthal came over from russia to england and what census he shows up on.
I have him on the 1891 census with his wife Rebecca, father Israel and kids Ettie, Samuel and Wolfe.

Any help would be great

Danny

[Margaret in Burton]

Is this him in 1901

RG13; Piece: 4106; Folio: 121; Page: 41

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I can't see him in 1881 and there doesn't seem to be a marriage, so after the marriage and before the birth of the eldest child??

Do you know Rebecca's maiden name though?

[quiffdo]

Etty was hte eldest child and she was born in leeds in 1887.
Im not sure about Rebecca's maiden name. i kinda guessed they were married in russia but im not sure how to go about finding out.

Sorry Margaret but im not a member of ancestry.

Danny

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

One of the children's birth certs should tell you.....

[quiffdo]

True, once i know her maiden name how do you think i could go about locating the marriage in russia?

Danny

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Is this one:

Wolf Rosenthal
1889 Q3
District: Leeds
Volume: 9b
Page: 447

[quiffdo]

Yep that Wolf belongs to me

Danny

[Mary from Italy]

There are some naturalisation papers on the TNA site. Wolf Rosenthal in Leeds, 1904, and a couple of Barnett Rosenthals (with two t's), but possibly too late to be yours.

The National Archives Advanced Search

[quiffdo]

Hey Mary

Do you reckon that that wolf may be mine? Because my Wolfe was actually born in leeds, it was his parents that came over and had him.

Danny

[Mary from Italy]

No idea, I don't know anything about naturalisation, I'm afraid. If he was born in England I would have thought he automatically got British nationality even if his parents were Russian, but I don't know what the law was in those days.

[BC]

Danny, have you tried the Jewish Genealogy sites ?

[quiffdo]

Hi BC

No i havnt but that will be my next port of call.

Thankyou

[Mary from Italy]

The National Archives site has a list of synagogue marriages in London, including a Barnett Rosenthal, but I don't think he's yours. He married a Dora Jacobs in 1902; a Rebecca Rosenthal died in London in 1901, but your Barnet is still with his Rebecca in Huddersfield on the 1901 census.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Hey Mary

Do you reckon that that wolf may be mine? Because my Wolfe was actually born in leeds, it was his parents that came over and had him.

Danny

In 1901 there are two older Wolfe Rosenthal's living in Leeds both born in Russia.

Of course they might still be relatives of yours!

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Are Louis or Morris Rosenthal anything to do with you?

HO 144/966/B24018 Nationality and Naturalisation: Rosenthal, Louis, from Russia. Resident in Leeds. Certificate A9692 issued 16 June 1897. Rosenthal, Morris. Decision on claim to British nationality.

(from TNA, The Catalogue)

[quiffdo]

Hey Merry

Im not sure if Louis or Morris are any of mine. Im just checking the ww1 service records to see if wolfes brother charley is on there, might mention address and such.

Danny