Samuel Rose - Tailor

[quiffdo]

Hi everyone

I recently posted about a Louis Rosenthall being the father of my Charles Rose. I recieved the marriage cert for Charles marriage to Margaret Andrews and it states that his father was in actual fact a Samuel Rose who was a tailor.
At the time of Charles marriage in 1916 he was down as a soldier.
Can anybody see a family in 1901 with the head as Samuel with a child named Charles?
The surname may be Rosenthall.

Any help would be great

Danny

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

How old was Charles on the 1916 marriage cert?

Was it the marriage in Chester District? Do you know if Charles was supposed to be from that area, or might he have been born anywhere?

[Olde Crone Holden]

(This is pointing more and more to being a Jewish family - tailoring was a traditional Jewish occupation.)

OC

[quiffdo]

Charles was 19years old and the marriage took place in st bridgets parish in chester.
Charles was a soldier and he was ment to have been born in yorkshire.

Danny

[Lyn A]

Oh, gracious...sounds Jewish to me, also. In which case he could be Louis Rosenthall and Samuel Rose or any combination.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Exactly, OC

and the majority of Samuel Rose* tailors in 1901 are living in the Jewish areas of London, rather than Chester!! (a couple in other places though...)

[KiteRunner]

Have you looked to see if Charles's military records are available on ancestry? If they are, then it might give you details of his next of kin including their address which might help.

And are the witnesses' names on his marriage certificate likely to be of any help?

[quiffdo]

Just out of curiosity, how could he be both Louis Rosenthall and Samuel Rose?
My OH's grandad said that his father (Charles) used to have the name Rosenthall but changed it to Rose.

Danny

[quiffdo]

The witnesses names were Stanly Knowles and Elizabeth Andrews.
Ive not got access to Ancestry yet unfortunatley.


Danny

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Hmmm......well having asked for Charles Rose* born 1897 +/- 2 years with father Samuel I get nothing, with father Lewis (just in case) I get nothing, but with father Louis I get one in Hull. However, he is a Cabinet Manufacturer (Rosenthall from Poland)

[quiffdo]

Thats the one i came up with from hull. When asked where OH's grandads dad came from he did say leeds.
Perhaps he put Samuel down instead of Louis for some unknown reason.

Danny

[Lyn A]

Just out of curiosity, how could he be both Louis Rosenthall and Samuel Rose?
My OH's grandad said that his father (Charles) used to have the name Rosenthall but changed it to Rose.

Danny

I was told on a Jewish board ages ago when I was trying to trace my gg-grandfather, that they often had 3 names. Their birth name, their Jewish name, and then, if they were born abroad, their Anglisized name. Worse than that, I was also told that they often used any combination of these.

As I don't know where my ancestors were from and only had an Angisized name to work with, I have put that line on hold. I doubt if I will get any further with it.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Well there is a 47 year old Samuel Rose in Leeds who is a tailor in 1901, but his children are all adult (those that are at home, anyway!). He is from Russia, so wouldn't have started life as a Rose!

[quiffdo]

That does make sense as all the signs point to the family with Louis as the head of the household.

Danny

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Perhaps he put Samuel down instead of Louis for some unknown reason.

Danny

But what about cabinet maker to tailor?? That doesn't ring true, does it?!!

[quiffdo]

The Charles Rose that i found in hull was born in the same area and same year as the one i was looking for but his name was Rosenthall at birth.
And there was no other Charles born anywhere that fit the bill.

Danny

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Danny, Do you know when Charles Rose died?

[quiffdo]

No its a bit of a change of career.

Danny

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

The Charles Rose that i found in hull was born in the same area and same year as the one i was looking for but his name was Rosenthall at birth.
And there was no other Charles born anywhere that fit the bill.

Danny

I wouldn't be very worried about the change in surname or the change in father's first name, if dad was a tailor, but he wasn't!

[quiffdo]

I couldnt find his death in chester where he was living. i did however find a possible death for his wife in 1944 age 46. (Margaret Rose) in chester.

Danny