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    my hubbys great grandmother is ALICE STOCKER
    on the 1891 census she is living in an orphanage in london

    on the 1901 census she is living with a JABEZ SAYWELL but relationship to head column says she is a ( B.O.Orphan ) does anyone know what the B.O. stands for

    also another weird thing is that on her marriage certificate it says that her father is called JABEZ TUCKER definitely tucker not stocker

  • #2
    in 1891 the place alice lived was called


    London > Islington > Upper Holloway > District St Mary Islington Parish Workhouse Schools

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    • #3
      1891 Alice is aged 3 and birthplace is given as unknown. She is in Islington Workhouse Schools.

      I can't find either her or Jabez Saywell in 1901 - have you got the ref?
      ~ with love from Little Nell~
      Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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      • #4
        As for father's name on her marriage cert, if she was illegitimate she wouldn't necessarily have had the same surname. Alternatively, its possible whoever was filling in the certificate just made a mistake.
        ~ with love from Little Nell~
        Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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        • #5
          Cannot find a birth reg, these is the only ones in London area:

          Caroline Alice Stocker 1887 Jan-Feb-Mar Fulham
          Florence Alice Stocker 1887 Apr-May-Jun Edmonton
          ~ with love from Little Nell~
          Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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          • #6
            thanks nell

            her name is mistranscribed on 1901 census as stoker but when you see image it def say stocker


            PIECE is RG13/1520
            PAGE is 8
            KEYWORD I USED is STOKER

            i hope that helps, im not sure how to work these ref numbers but above works for me

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            • #7
              it is said she called herself alice matilda stocker but i can only find one birth for that name in 1889 brentford middlesex

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              • #8
                Got her!

                Don't think head of house is Jabez. Looks more like Jarvis or James.
                It doesn't say why Alice is with them, she doesn't appear to be a servant. I think B.O. might mean British Orphanages, but its not clear.

                I suppose you could delve into the Saywells, Alice could be a connection of the head or his wife, I am puzzled as to why she is in Cambridgeshire and not still in London, working as a domestic servant, as that would be the fate of most workhouse girls I guess.
                ~ with love from Little Nell~
                Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                • #9
                  I see there's a Jabez Saywell marriage to Eliza Harradine, Caxton 1882. Is that where you got his name from?
                  ~ with love from Little Nell~
                  Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                  • #10
                    Did you notice there is a B O orphan with a family further up the page, and one on the previous page?
                    Gillian
                    User page: http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/...ustGillian-117

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                    • #11
                      so orphan were put in workhouses is that because of no parents or maybe parents that have fallen on hard times. could there be a possibility that parent/s would be in another part of the work house
                      thanks for the tip on the saywells, poss this saywell or his wife could be a relative of parents and maybe came to the rescue of this little girl. i will have a look at the saywells to see what i can discover.

                      thanks nell

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                      • #12
                        Can't find B.O. as recognised abbreviation on 1901 census. B.S. is British Subject, but I don't think it says that.
                        ~ with love from Little Nell~
                        Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                        • #13
                          Gillian

                          Well spotted. Perhaps all these orphans were sent out as a job lot? I believe technically speaking an orphan is a child with no living father, not necessarily no mother. Of course if Alice was illegit. she may have been abandoned by her mother and in fact perhaps never registered, or given the names she was given after she was taken into an institution.
                          ~ with love from Little Nell~
                          Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                          • #14
                            Seems a big coincidence having three BO orphans in the same small area - I wonder if it could have been some kind of charity project? Barnardos?
                            Gillian
                            User page: http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/...ustGillian-117

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                            • #15
                              not sure where i got jabez from i think i looked him up in earlier census and sure it said jabez then.

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                              • #16
                                yeah i noticed there were a few B.O. ORPHANS on the same page. my hubby said barnados, but i wasnt sure.

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                                • #17
                                  I see that Ethel Popperwell, 9, BO on previous page, and Mary, the one above Alice on same page were both born Islington, so it looks like they were perhaps in the same workhouse school together?
                                  ~ with love from Little Nell~
                                  Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                                  • #18
                                    a foundling. ow heavens, ill never get to bottom of this one then, ive been watching that tv show called FOUND, a lot of foundlings on there.
                                    my hubbys side of the family are a right lot, giving me so much trouble. my hubby thinks theyre a shady lot. lol

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                                    • #19
                                      Of course a lot of Barnado children were sent abroad - not sure that BO is for Barnados, which certainly wouldn't have been connected to the Islington workhouse schools.
                                      ~ with love from Little Nell~
                                      Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                                      • #20
                                        I have had a good google with some guesses but can't work out BO at all. Sorry.
                                        Gillian
                                        User page: http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/...ustGillian-117

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