Another Goulson mystery

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Another update see post #31


1841 census, Bottesford, Leicestershire

John Goulson 25
Joseph Goulson 3
Maria Goulson 1
Sarah Goulson 20


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 587; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Bottesford; County: Leicestershire; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 8; Page: 8; Line: 11; GSU roll: 438740

IGI baptism for 1817 for John, Knipton, Leicestershire.

1838 marriage to Sarah Haynes, Grantham District.

Nothing after 1841 for the family in the census.

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Also Baptism in 1840 for Maria and also two in 1844 for children to the couple;

John and Maria both 27/10/1844 at Knipton.

John died in 1845 (birth and death reg found) but there is nothing for another Maria. Any ideas why two Maria entries but nothing in the bmd or burials?

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

The plot thickens

Just had another look through the census and there appears to be nothing for the family after 1841 and no additional baptisms.

Checking the bmd hasn't helped much either, nothing stands out for a death/remarriage for either John snr or Sarah and there is nothing extra for Maria.

Wonder if they moved out of the country??

[Little Nell]

Maybe they were mistranscribed?

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Tried the usual variants, just christian names, years of birth etc but still nothing.

I could understand perhaps in the odd census but to lose them all in later years!!

[Little Nell]

Can't see them in 1841 - have you got the ref?

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 587; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Bottesford; County: Leicestershire; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 8; Page: 8; Line: 11; GSU roll: 438740

John listed as born c1816, born in county (Leicestershire)

[Little Nell]

Odd, I couldn't find them, then I said I couldn't and found them by putting Bottesford in parish box. He was a blacksmith, so possibly mentioned in trade directories?

[Little Nell]

Genuki has census names 1861 GENUKI: Bottesford, LIN no sign of any Goulsons.

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

It's typical, for the first time in ages i find an "unusual" christian name for a Goulson and he vanishes.

Mostly they share just four christian names (and Joseph is one of them!!!).

[Little Nell]

If John is your John and he died before 1851, maybe Sarah remarried and the children took her new husband's surname.

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

I haven't found a death/burial for John or death/burial/remarriage for Sarah.

I tried looking for Joseph 1838 and Maria1840 by christian names only in the 51 onwards but zilch. There are only four bmd records in total for Maria Goulson (one is her birth and the other three are for another Maria in my tree).

The only thing i can think of is that either John died and Sarah met someone, didn't remarry but she and the kids took the name or failing that they left for foreign parts.

The lack of census and bmd events for the family post 1845 seems strange especially considering they registered the children in the early days of civil registration.

[Mary from Italy]

I've found the following Goulsons on the Leics. county burial disc (1813-91), buried at Knipton (none in Bottesford):

GOULSON JOB / 19 APR 1818, age 1, ABODE BELVOIR, SON TO JOSEPH & MARY GOULSON
GOULSON ANN / 10 MAR 1820, age 86, ABODE BELVOIR, WIDOW
GOULSON JOSEPH / 20 JAN 1823, age 15, ABODE BELVOIR KNIPTON
GOULSON PAGE / 30 APR 1828, age 60, ABODE COLSTON NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
GOULSON JOSEPH / 20 MAY 1831, age 60, ABODE BELVOIR
GOULSON MARY / 17 SEP 1843, age 60, ABODE BELVOIR
GOULSON JOHN / 30 MAY 1845, INF ABODE BELVOIR

[Mary from Italy]

It may not be relevant, but if you look at the 1880 US census on familysearch, there's a John Goulson, blacksmith, born in England, of about the right age, in California. He's with a wife Ann, though.

[WendyP]

HI

Following on from the post above the same John Goulson is in the US from at least the 1851 census

1850 Avon, Rock, Wisconsin USA

John Goulson 34 Farmer bn England
Ann Goulson 22 bn England
Joseph Goulson 12 bn England
Mariah Goulson 10 bn England


1860 Avon, Rock, Wisconsin, USA

John Goulson 44 Farmer England
Ann Goulson 32 England
Mariah Goulson 20 England
Elizabeth C Goulson 9 bn Wisconsin
Alfred Goulson 12months bn Wisconsin


1870 San Mateo, California

John Gaulson 55 Blacksmith bn England
Anna Gaulson 40 Keeping house bn England
Carrie E Gaulson 19 Wisconsin
Alfred Gaulson 9 Wisconsin

1880 you can see foryourself on Family search site/IGI




I cant see them in the 1900 Census.

But son Alfred has married.

[WendyP]

HI


correction have now found Ann W Goulson in the 1900 census age a bit out


San Mateo Californina

A W Goulson 67 Widow has given birth to 5 children and only 3 of them are still alive came over to USA in 1848.


Living on her own


1910 census San Mateo California Ann W 78 is living next door to her son Alfred and his wife but she now has her daughter Lizzie 58(Elizabeth) living at home with her/or at least visiting. Ann now says she had 4 children and 2 of them are still living.

[Little Nell]

1850 US definitely looks like the same father and children as 1841.

[Little Nell]

findmypast.com's ship's passengers' lists only starts 1890 which is a shame.

[Little Nell]

There is a database of arrivals at New York, but I don't know where it is!

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Oooh

Wendy sent some info and i found the 1880 on familysearch whilst locked out here. It all looks to match except for wife Ann!! Wonder if John remarried or Sarah was Sarah Ann?


Just had a quick look at some matching details in an Ancestry tree too but nothing on gr.


tries to look calm with a potential breakthrough looming :D:D

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Right then, i was going to order a pile of Goulson certs, chronologically from 1837 onwards, that is still the plan, fortunately the marriage for John appears to be one of the earliest.

John Goulson to Sarah (hopefully/possibly Sarah Ann??) Sep qtr 1838 in Grantham.

Joseph birth, same district and quarter plus Maria June qtr 1840, matching district.

Worth a punt for the cost methinks. Even if they disprove something somewhere................where is me debit card???