Birth cert query

[Margaret in Burton]

I have today received a birth cert for the sister of my 2 x great grandad. I sent for hers as he was born pre 1837.

I wanted the mothers maiden name.

BUT

It says father Thomas Hallam
mother Mary Hallam

No maiden name.

Does that mean the she was Hallam also before she married or the registrar forgot to ask her maiden name.

I have had cousins marrying before and it has always said on the birth cert so and so formerly so and so even if the surname was the same.

[Little Nell]

It might be that the registrar forgot to record (or ask for) her maiden name. Or they might have been cousins, but it should still say Hallam formerly Hallam I think.

[Little Nell]

Or, he was illegitimate and Mary invented a father with the same surname for respectability?

[Margaret in Burton]

No Nell

It is a birth cert for Hannah Hallam

father Thomas Hallam

mother Mary Hallam

registered by the father

[Little Nell]

Sorry, you did say it was the sister as the chap who is your direct relly was born pre-civil reg.

Whereabouts was this?

[Pipeman]

Hi Margaret,
Had you thought that they may not have been directly related. Rather that there were many Hallams living in a small isolated community. I had a case of a 4xg/gdad George Edmondson in a small village in Cumberland, who gave is father as William Edmondson on his marr/cert. His mother was Rosannah Edmondson on his records (no father). But William was already married to Mary who was an Edmondson in her own right!!!. when George was born. I'm not saying that W + R were not istant cousins, but strange things happen in small places!!

[Anne in Carlisle]

It was just a plot hatched up all those years ago to make you get yet another birth cert to see if the maiden name is on that one :p

I have cousin marriages too and it always says (in my case) Mother - Mary Coleman formerly Coleman.

Anne

[Margaret in Burton]

Sorry, you did say it was the sister as the chap who is your direct relly was born pre-civil reg.

Whereabouts was this?

Newark reg dis.

Notts

[Margaret in Burton]

Hi Margaret,
Had you thought that they may not have been directly related. Rather that there were many Hallams living in a small isolated community. I had a case of a 4xg/gdad George Edmondson in a small village in Cumberland, who gave is father as William Edmondson on his marr/cert. His mother was Rosannah Edmondson on his records (no father). But William was already married to Mary who was an Edmondson in her own right!!!. when George was born. I'm not saying that W + R were not istant cousins, but strange things happen in small places!!

Sorry Pipeman

It may be the time of night or one too many glasses of wine but you have lost me

[Darksecretz]

Margaret,

can you post his name please and his DOB, I can check and see if I can find something

[Margaret in Burton]

It was just a plot hatched up all those years ago to make you get yet another birth cert to see if the maiden name is on that one :p

I have cousin marriages too and it always says (in my case) Mother - Mary Coleman formerly Coleman.

Anne

Hi Anne

Yes I have cousin marraiges too and it does say the formerly name even if it is the same.

There is another younger sister (another birth cert)but there are three Mary Hallam's born Newark area for the same time frame.

Think I may have to write to Newark local register office and state that I want Mary Hallam born 1842/43 with parents Thomas and Mary who lived in Kilvington.

[Margaret in Burton]

Margaret,

can you post his name please and his DOB, I can check and see if I can find something

Julie

My 2 x great grandad was Thomas Hallam born 1832 Kilvington, Notts. Parents Thomas & Mary.

Younger siblings are Elizabeth 1835 - 1885
James about 1837
Hannah 18 Dec 1840
Mary about 1842/3

All born Kilvington

[Darksecretz]

Thomas was bapt 31 dec 1832 at kilvington, parents thomas and mary. dads occ was labourer....

[Margaret in Burton]

Thomas was bapt 31 dec 1832 at kilvington, parents thomas and mary. dads occ was labourer....

Yes Julie I know that.

I am trying to find his mothers maiden name

[Margaret in Burton]

Sorry Julie that sounded a bit abrupt.

It wasn't meant to be

[Darksecretz]

William bapt 01 july 1830 same parents... and occ kilvington as well.
Elizabeth bapt 27 jan 1835 same parents occ, at kilvington

no sign of the others though.

[Darksecretz]

s'ok none taken..

sometimes the MMN is given but not in this case, sorry.

[Margaret in Burton]

Hi Julie

I have the others.

We did the parish registers years ago at Nottingham library.

They seem to come under Staunton in the Vale.

Perhaps the two churches were intermingled

"cant think of a better word at the moment"

[Darksecretz]

LOL I know what you mean Margaret,

merged perhaps?

this has been transcribed though as Kilvington parish, but havent a clue where it belonged to, (I know you have said newark, so know that much now)...

have you found a marriage? for the parents? do you know where mary came from? was that Kilvington as well?

[Margaret in Burton]

Hi Julie

No I havent found a marriage. That is where I am struggling.

Thomas Hallam was born about 1806 in Kilvington.

Mary was born about 1801 in Hoveringham, Notts

Their first child, that I have found was Richard born in 1828 in Kilvington.

I thought that sending for the birth cert of the first child born after 1837 would solve my problem but its just got worse.