Charles Walter Winter 1901 census lookup please

[jebbo]

Hi
Help ...Looking for Charles Walter Winter in 1901
( born 1889 aston)

jebbo

[Harrys mum]

Jebbo....do you have the parents names?

There's none born Aston, but one living in Aston born Birmingham.

Parents are John and Charlotte, but it is the same family in 1891.

[dicole]

I found one Charles Winter b1889 Birmingham living in Aston with parents John and Charlotte - is this the right one ? You could send me a pm for further details.

Diane

[jebbo]

Hi Harrys Mum and Dicole
Only have Charles birth date 1889 to go on , no parents names
he married in 1910 foleshill

appreciate our help
Jebbo

[Harrys mum]

Jebbo...............how did you get his name? Have you got his marriage cert?

That will give you his father's name, hopefully.

[Harrys mum]

There is a marriage for a John Winter in Birmingham 1876, but no wife. Oldest child I can find was born about 1876/7. Can't find anything for John that is obvious before 1881. I think you need at least the marriage cert.

Nothing on Charles' death cert??

[jebbo]

Hi Harrys mum
Charles Joseph Winter born 1911 foleshill father was Charles Walter Winter
Charles Walter Winter married in 1910 born 1889 but no fathers name

Okay thanks , will see if I can find anything for john & Charlotte on 1881 census



Jebbo

[Harrys mum]

So if there's no father mentioned on marriage cert, that probably means he'd died.

The one Diane and I found is living in Aston ,but certainly not enough proof to claim him.

Do you have any other certs to see if there are family names?

Clutching at straws here.

[Harrys mum]

OK....................major problem!!!!!

Charles Winter born Aston district 1889 is NOT Charles Walter Winter.

Charles Walter Winter born Q1 1889 Marylebone.

So somewhere you have to work out whether your name or place is the correct one. If you have the full name from a cert then that would be correct.

[jebbo]

no sadly thats all I have to go on

thanks for you help

Jebbo

[Harrys mum]

There's a few possibles in the 1891 and 1901 census. I don't know London well enough to tell.

If you are certain his middle name is Walter, buy the cert for the Q1. That will give you father's name and mother's maiden name.

[Harrys mum]

Sorry, Jebbo.. where did you get the middle name Walter?

[jebbo]

Charles Walter Winter ( came from his son Charles Joseph Winter 1911 birth cert)

[Harrys mum]

OK.....then I'd go with the one born Marylebone...............unless you want to buy both birth certs and see. But I can't see there being two in the same year. If you don't have anything further back go with the Marylebone one and ditch the Aston one.

[jebbo]

okay thanks

[WendyP]

HI Jebbo


Just as families go is it possible that the man your looking for was unsure how old he was? I am asking as there is a Charles Walter Winter born last 1/4 of 1884 in Ashby de la Zouch.


Now in the 1901 census he is with his parents Josiah/Joseph Winter and mum Ann and shown as being born in Appleby, Leicestershire

I can post details if you want them. But I'll leave it with you to ponder it.

[Harrys mum]

Wendy...is that closer to Astin? I don't know the area at all.

You could be right with the age. I can't work out where Jebbo got both the date and place. There is definitely a Charles Winter born 1889 Birmingham living in Astin, but I cannot find his middle name anywhere. The index has him born Astin district. Trawling turned up the Marylebone one, with the middle name Walter.
And yours has a Joseph, so could be better.

[Christine in Herts]

So if there's no father mentioned on marriage cert, that probably means he'd died.

The one Diane and I found is living in Aston ,but certainly not enough proof to claim him.

Do you have any other certs to see if there are family names?

Clutching at straws here.

I thought that no father's name on marriage cert usually meant that father's name was unknown - i.e. illegitimacy.

I know that's not an absolute, but I have more than one cert (incl. my parents') where the father's name is given, along with "dec'd". Sometimes the father is dead, but the "dec'd" bit gets missed out, even where the name is given - presumably no-one had actually asked if the father(s) were still alive.

There's an active thread here where what must be almost a unique cert is shown where both mothers' names are given, because both were illegitimate.

Christine

[Christine in Herts]

The marriage registers for Foleshill are at Warwick RO. I know because I was there recently and got a digital photo of my parents' register entry - all filled out by my late father because he was the curate there at the time. :D

Christine

[Pamdidle]

I i.

There's an active thread here where what must be almost a unique cert is shown where both mothers' names are given, because both were illegitimate.

Christine

I have a marriage like this. Both were illegitimate and their mothers signed the cert, I was amazed to see it.