big botch up somewhere?..help needed

[garstonite]

hi...can someone please tell me where i have gone wrong please...(certain this info was from 1871 census in glossop)
james williamson b 1831 hyde chesh
margery(maiden name kay) b 1827 penistone yorkshire
charles b 1844 glossop
charlotte b 1851 glossop(my gg grandmother)
thomas b 1853 glossop
selina b 1857 glossop
sarah b 1862 glossop
james b 1867 glossop
zipporah b 1867 glossop
something wrong here,this would make james 13 when charles was born..
i suppose charles could have been margerys child (she would have been 17 when charles was born)...could someone point out my mistake please..regards...allan

[KiteRunner]

Allan, did you look at the image or just use ancestry's transcription? If it's from their transcription then it could well be wrong.

[Elaine ..Spain]

not sure if this is your family in 1871

Margery Williamson 45 - listed as married - no husband shown
Charlotte Williamson 18
James Henry Williamson 3
Sarah Ann Williamson 9
Selina Williamson 13
Arthur Williamson 7

RG10; Piece: 3642; Folio: 6; Page: 3

[garstonite]

hi kiterunner...i honestly cannot remember,but i would think it was off the census..someone on gr could well have sent me the census transcription...thanks...allan

[Elaine ..Spain]

1881 census

James Williamson 50
Margret Williamson 54
James Stevenson 18
Arthur Williamson 17
Charlotte Williamson 28
Jas. Hy. Williamson 13
Samuel Williamson 2
Sarah Ann Williamson 19
Selena Williamson 23
Zepporah Williamson 5

RG11; Piece: 3460; Folio: 11; Page: 20;

[Elaine ..Spain]

Charles is shown on the 1861 census

Charles Kay Williamson 16 - says age 16 on image - listed as son
Charlotte Williamson 9
James Williamson 30
Margery Williamson 32
Selina Williamson 3
Thomas Williamson 7

RG9; Piece: 2549; Folio: 8; Page: 14;

[garstonite]

thanks elaine..you`re so reliable..looks to be the same rellies,but no charles/thomas/zipporah...and an extra member ..arthur?...so many names match though...puzzled...i just can`t remember where i got my info...allan

[KiteRunner]

So, the years of birth that you gave us in the beginning do match what you get from various censuses. James may well have knocked a few years off his age for the 1881 census, and / or Charles could well be Margery's son from a previous relationship.

[garstonite]

thanks very much elaine...you`re a gem...so do i take it that charles was a kay before james and margery were married?...and i gained an arthur...ha ha....regards...allan

[Elaine ..Spain]

There is a birth registration for Charles Kay on freeBMD

Births Dec 1844
KAY Charles Hayfield 19 4[79]4

Do you have a marriage date for Margaret/Margery & James

[garstonite]

thanks kiterunner....i didn`t make the big mistake i thought i`d made ...charles probably margery`s son previous to the marriage....regards...allan

[garstonite]

no record of the marriage on chesh bmd or yorks bmd...glossop is a very debatable location...sometimes cheshire/sometimes derbyshire...i`ll try derbys bmd...regards...allan..ADDED..just checked on derbyshire bmd...no record of james/margery`s marriage...where did they marry?...allan

[Lyn A]

Marriage Jun Qtr 1851, Hayfield 19/581

[Elizabeth Herts]

Perhaps Charles Kay was illegitimate and Margery Kay not married before.

See IGI entry:

Margy Kay
Christening 01 October 1826 Penistone Yorkshire
Parents:
Mother Hariet Kay

[garstonite]

thankyou lynne and elizabeth....which county is hayfield in?..i`ll.check igi now elizabeth....regards...allan

[Lyn A]

....which county is hayfield in?..i`ll.check igi now elizabeth....regards...allan

Borders Cheshire & Derbyshire, I think it said.;)

[garstonite]

thanks lynn..just googled hayfield..derbyshire village...a bit intrigued now,as it appears Penistone,yorks had a large workhouse..trying to find if margery/margy was born in the workhouse,but every time i go to the national workhouse site,i can`t seem to find any births...any ideas?...regards...allan

[Lyn A]

Sorry Allan...that is out of my field...never looked for a birth at a workhouse...never even looked at a workhouse site, so I don't even know what might be found on one.

[garstonite]

thanks lynn,just posted new thread for advice...thanks for your help...allan

[Lyn A]

You're welcome...sorry that I can't be of more help.

But what makes you think that she was born in the workhouse?