Can you make out the brides name?

[SuffolkSue]

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Can anyone make out the brides name. It has been transcribed as Orderoe but I think it must be something else as I've never come across that name before.

[Little Nell]

Fairly certain surname is Scott. First name looks like Racus? (Rachel?)

[SuffolkSue]

Hi Nell

Sorry forgot to put Richard Scott and Alice ?????, the last name I'm not sure about.

[Muggins in Sussex]

Mordroe?????

[Little Nell]

Looks like Mordroe, I agree. Monroe? Or it could be a surname that's died out. What's the date?

[Lyn A]

That last name is a real puzzle....It looks like Drdrue.....Sorry, I can't make anything more out of it!

[SuffolkSue]

The marriage took place in 1564. It is on the IGI.

[Olde Crone Holden]

(pssst...Nell...it's the bride's name we are looking at not the groom....)

Well, not Orderoe, definitely!

Begins with a D or a P...is the document horizontally folded at this point?

Last three letters of the surname are either

rue

or

nie

OC

[Olde Crone Holden]

Lozaras

It's Aliciam, latin for Alice. (well, latin for "to Alice").

Don't think the name starts with M...compare it with the M or Marwood, top left.

OC

[Little Nell]

There's baptisms on IGI for Alice Ordroe 1551 Stepney St. Dunstan
and also for Alicie (Aliciam) 1536 Glemsford, Suffolk.

Is Aliciam the Latinised version of Alice?

[Little Nell]

Sorry OC our posts crossed.

[Little Nell]

Alice(iam) is the only Ordroe entry on IGI which makes me think its a mistranscription.

[Little Nell]

Could it be Dordroe?

[Roger in Sussex]

I thought it was Ordroe before reading the thread. Can see why someone would read it as Orderoe, because of the back sweep of the d, but all the "d"s are like that.

Any entries for October in same document which would indicate what an O looked like in that handwriting?

Roger

Edit: Just spotted one on line below. Not the same although it has similarities.

[Olde Crone Holden]

I think it is the dreaded "unextended latin", in other words the name has been abbreviated.

I am sure that part of the letter is missing below the line and am also sure that the second to last letter is NOT an "o", just looks like it because the tail of the letter in the line above is touching it.

All the other lower case "o"s are very carefully and correctly formed in a perfect circle.

OC

[SuffolkSue]

I never thought of the name being abbreviated. Its so infuriating, I've been puzzling over this for some years. Don't know if will ever get to the bottom of it.

Thank you all for trying.

I think maybe the Glemsford baptism is a bit way out as the parish registers didn't start there until the 1550s.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Yes, this would drive me mad, too.

Only thing I can suggest is to hunt through the same register, looking for that odd, almost heart-shaped letter.

OC

[Roger in Sussex]

I am sure that part of the letter is missing below the line and am also sure that the second to last letter is NOT an "o", just looks like it because the tail of the letter in the line above is touching it.

All the other lower case "o"s are very carefully and correctly formed in a perfect circle.

OC

If part of the first letter is missing below the line, could it be P with the back sweep cutting through the tail, which would make it the Latin abbreviation for per or pur or even par (as in parish, quite often)? In which case the name is getting near Purdue or (forgive me OC!) Pardoe or something similar..

[Olde Crone Holden]

Roger

I did wonder if it might be Andrue, although the A looks nothing like the others on the page.

Pardue/Pardoe is certainly a possibility, I agree.

OC

[Roger in Sussex]

OC

I had the same thought about A, but there is no cross bar. Unless of course it is a big lower case a, which one does see sometimes. But then, why the sweep back?

Very puzzling. Hope Sue can find another example as you suggest and put us out of our misery!

Roger