The winner of WDWTYA? 24th January 2008 is......

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

........Lozaras!!

Well done!!!

[KiteRunner]

Sarah, just to check about the Flatts - those two christening entries are both for the same person, aren't they?

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Just wanted to say well done on winning, hope you have as much luck as me.

I have just read through your posts but for some reason my brain isn't processing just yet, I'll make a cupper and be back to have another look

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Do you think the POB for James Horrell should be Shobrooke?

GENUKI/Devon: Shobrooke - Genealogy

Do you have an occupation for James?

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Looking though the actual images for Shobrooke in 1841

I have found a Howell family in Shobrooke

Hinds Howell age 30 Clergyman - No
Mary Howell age 25 - No
Marion age 8 - Yes
Ellen age 6 - Yes
Conrad? age 5 - Yes
Mary age 4 - Yes
Thomasill? age 2 - Yes
Agnes age 1 - Yes
Catherine age 2 months - Yes
HO107; Piece 209; Book: 8;Folio: ; Page: 1

Also at another address

Elizabeth Horrel lage 50 No Occupation - Yes (Trans Harrel
HO107; Piece 209; Book: 8;Folio: 9; Page: 12


Another

John Horwill age 40 Ag Lab - Yes (Trans Horwiutt)
Frances age 45 - Yes
Mary age 7 - Yes
George age 3 - Yes
HO107; Piece 209; Book: 9; Folio: ; Page: 1

Another

Ann Horwill age 70 no occuption - Yes (Trans Horwiett)
HO107; Piece 209; Book: 9; Folio: ; Page: 1


Another

James Horwill age 30 Ag Lab - Yes (Trans Horwitt)
Grace age 25 - Yes
Mary age 9 - Yes
William age 7 - Yes
HO107; Piece 209; Book: 9;Folio: 4; Page: 2

Another

Henry Horwill age 11 - M/S - Yes (Trans Horwitt)
HO107; Piece 209; Book: 9;Folio: 5; Page: 4

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The problem with the IGI (as I just found) was that the online baptisms for Shobrooke are only between 1538 and 1799, so unlikely to find James :(

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Flatt

I take it you have seen the Submitted entry on the IGI

Sarah Flower to John Flatt 10 April 1810 Walpole Suffolk

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Working from the marriage of Sarah Flower to John Flatt in Walpole I have found these children

John Flatt & Sarah Flower
Isaac Flatt Bap. 23 Aug 1812 Walpole (Submitted)
John Flatt Bap. 22 May 1814 Linstead Magna (Yours)

John Flatt & Sarah
John Flatt Bap.22 May 1814 Linstead Parva (Yours)
Judith Flatt Bap.19 Mar 1820 Linstead Parva
Sarah Flatt Bap.25 Nov 1821 Linstead Parva
Samuel Flatt Bap.18 Jan 1824 Linstead Parva
Charlotte Flatt Bap.24 Apr 1825 Linstead Parva

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FLATT
ooo - no I didn't Vikki !
What a shame it's not 'extracted'

I know, but don't discount it yet, some submissions are correct, we just need to find some other source to back it up

Got to take Emily to nursery in a minute, but I will be back

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Horwell

I wouldn't attach James to John and Frances just yet - Although it is possible that he was illigitamate (sp) and they married a few years later but then he would have been baptised Pope.

If only there was someone listed on the Wiki for RO look-ups

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I think so, my nan (who was 69 at the time) went to a records office and with a little help used a fiche reader, So I don't see why not

If you give them a rough date but exact location, the staff should be able to hep

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Flatt

Me again - sorry I know I keep jumping between the2 families

But have you seen this in 1861

John Flatt age 77 (1784) Swilland Suffolk (could be Linstead) Gardener
Sarah Flatt age 75 (1786) Swilland Suffolk
There are other Flatts listed born in Norfolk
RG9; Piece: 1217; Folio: 196; Page: 14; GSU roll: 542777. - Norwich

in 1851 found

John Flatt age 67 Cratfield, Suffolk
Sarah Flatt age 65 Wimpole, Suffolk
HO107; Piece: 1815; Folio: 308; Page: 38 - Norwich

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Flatt

They are the same couple (90% sure), I try not to put too much emphasis on occupation for those over 60.

Just need to find William in 1851 to make sure he is not with another Sarah or John

But it would tie in your Harriet, as she gives her POB as Wimpole Suffolk in 1861 (same as Sarah in 1851)

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Flatt

Oh Pooh, just seen the time, got to go and get Emily -

Harriet - sorry getting confused myself - there is a Harriet ( i think) Flatt in Norfolk, POB Wimpole Suffolk

Give me 15 mins and I'll be back to explain -- Sorry

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Sorry a bit longer then 15 mins, got my tea now

So walking distance back then - 3 miles was not very far at all

I was looking at a list of Suffolk stays on the 1861 census for Norfolk and saw Harriet Flatt RG9; Piece: 1217; Folio: 198; Page: 18 - I notied her purley becasue of the Walpole link, she was born 1811 (just after the marriage of Sarah and John in 1810, if the submission is to be belived)

So possibly another daughter to John and Sarah. Still doesn't help with the other, but it a new name to play with.

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Ok, The plot thickens (Edit - Snap)

In 1861 Harriet is unmarried, can't find Harriet in 1871 but in 1881 and 1891 up she pops as mother to Thomas Flatt age 38 (48) born Norwich, Book binder (maybe same Thomas with John and Sarah in 51 and 61

It also shes her as a widow in 1881 and single again in 1891 - could Thomas have been illigitamate and raised by her parents?

1881 - RG11; Piece: 1949; Folio: 70; Page: 29
1891 - RG12; Piece: 1528; Folio 136; Page 24

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And better still Harriet lived to be 90 at least!!!!!

Here she is in 1901 with Thomas again

Class: RG13; Piece: 1845; Folio: 164; Page: 30.

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Blimey - This woman was doing something right

Harriett Flatt died age 102 1st Qtr 1913 - Norwich Vol 4b Pg 189

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Flatt

I think this is John Jr in 1841 with his mother Sarah - Methwold Norfolk

Sarah age 55 - Farmer - No
Mary age 25 - Yes
John age 25 - Ironmonger - Yes
Ann age 20 - Yes
William age 20 Tailor - Yes
Sarah age 4
John age 3

HO107; Piece 774; Book: 9;Folio: 39; Page: 7

I supose the birth place could be wrong and they were born out of county

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Me Again - You'll be sick of me soon

Flatt

found Harriet, Thomas and John Sr in 1871

Julian Street, West Wymer, Norwich

Head - John Flatt age 85 Gardener Widow
G/Son - Thomas age 28 Book Binder
Wife - Louisa age 29
Son - George age 2
Dau - Adelaide age 6 months
Mother - Harriett age 60 Monthly nurse

RG10; Piece: 1820; Folio: 6; Page: 8;

So this ties them all together :D