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londonlass_89
07-01-08, 13:11
Hello :D

Im having trouble identifying this uniform of who happens to be a GG Granddad of mine. His name was either William Davies or William Watkins and was from Wales. My guess was that this may have been during the Boar War but if not, then WW1.... :confused::confused:

I wondered if anyone could help me identify the photo a bit more, i.e, uniform, rank, time of photo etc...anything that will help me know a bit about him.

Thanks All.. :rolleyes:

Sophie x

Darksecretz
07-01-08, 13:14
Just so people can see it...

http://www.familytreeforum.com/attachments/family-tree-photos/8849d1199711418-can-anyone-recognise-uniform-etc-g.jpg

Darksecretz
07-01-08, 13:15
If its any help it looks like he is wearing Stirrups???

I'm not that great on identifying stuff like this but did notice those :)

Hello and welcome to FTF by the way :):):)

Jennifer Eccles
07-01-08, 13:19
I agree with julie...
you can also just see what could be a riding crop poking out from under his arm.. and also just in veiw is someone else holding a riding crop.

Just Barbara
07-01-08, 14:03
I think he is an Artillery man, the thingy across his chest is a bandolier for holding ammunition, he is of course a mounted soldier, I can't tell what rank.

Just Barbara
07-01-08, 14:04
ps, I am pretty certain it's ww1.........

don.t
07-01-08, 14:47
As Barbara has already pointed out this photograph is of a soldier who was in either a mounted unit or regiment and is from the 1st ww period. Unfortunately the cap badge, which may help to identify the regiment is obscured by the restoration that someone has carried out. If you have the original, without the gold dots, it might help. And yes he is wearing spurs.

don.

Darksecretz
07-01-08, 14:55
Thats the word Don......... Spurs :o

I knew it began with S...

:)

brenmac
07-01-08, 18:26
he is high ranking because of the braid on shoulder and hat,i think he is a colonel and i would say first world war,riding horses could he be something to do with the kings gaurds brenda xxx

don.t
07-01-08, 19:30
The lanyard at his shoulder would have a service knife on the end of it and on all acounts wasn't all that useful. Strangley enough he has what appears to be a lanyard at each shoulder. The Bandolier, as Barabara has pointed out, held ammunition in the small pouches and was worn by mounted servicemen not just in the artillery (which by the form and shape of what can be seen of the cap badge I don't think was his regiment) but also by the Royal Army Service Corps and also the Royal Engineers. As for his rank dependant on which regiment he was with he would be a trooper or driver (R.A.), private (R.A.S.C.) and sapper or pioneer (R.E.).

don.

Jill on the A272
07-01-08, 20:13
As Don says, the key is the cap badge. below is Royal Field Artillery, very different badge so it's not that regt.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/JillontheA272/HerbertEdwardCrispb1898seated.jpg

londonlass_89
07-01-08, 21:47
You know....I neva noticed all those things before; I always thought he looked a bit high ranking but i duno reli....The job is now to found out which grandad it was....Ive been told by my Great Gran that he was her Grandad; but she neva said from which side he was from...mothers or fathers. I got my Great Grans Parents Marriage Cert when they married in 1916 and it says that both their father were Colliers. Im not sure how to go about find out more on who this person was...and even more about what that picture can tell me.....

Any suggestions?

Rachel Scand
07-01-08, 23:48
Didn't know what was meant by Lanyard .... looked it up in the dictionary ...

Is the white braid on his left shoulder a Lanyard as well as the cord on his right shoulder ? :confused:


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o228/rachelscand/Gweb.jpg

don.t
08-01-08, 00:58
certainly is Rachel.

don.

AianC
08-01-08, 10:22
Harking back to my (distant) youth when I had a collection of cap badges, the badge looks as though it could be the skull and crossbones which, from memory, I think was for the 17/21st Lancers. This would tie in with the spurs etc

londonlass_89
08-01-08, 11:41
Ahh yeh i see what you mean AianC......

Hmm....i still feel troubled...its been bugging me all night about who this guy could be in my family...lol.......

Jill on the A272
08-01-08, 13:55
I think that officers would have better tailored uniforms, they also wore the "Sam Browne", leather belt with diagonal bit going over the shoulder,and a pistol in a holster at the waist.

Just Barbara
08-01-08, 16:21
I will admit I couldn't work out the cap badge..:D But I am absolutely certain he is not an officer.......

londonlass_89
08-01-08, 16:41
Maybe your rite barbara (with a sad sigh). It would have sounded nice tho...Corporal...or Officer...hehe.....Plus he has no strippy things on his arm...doesnt that show that you was an officer or sumthing?....

Ive got a feeling he might have been a Driver in the Royal Field or Horse Artillery; judging by all your helpful comments and loads or trolling thru the net to find uniform pics. But then he has that riding crop...so he would have rode on horses?.......

Snowdrops in Bloom
08-01-08, 16:56
Plus he has no strippy things on his arm...doesnt that show that you was an officer or sumthing?....



No, it shows you were a private.

There don't appear to be any 'pips' on his epaulettes so the probability is he was a private/gunner/rifleman/driver

Just Barbara
08-01-08, 16:58
If it's a riding crop it was obviously something he used!, but he might not be family, I have a lovely photo of a Boer war soldier who I know was a friend of the family not a relative.

londonlass_89
08-01-08, 17:16
He was definetly a relative.... I remember my Great Gran having a larger version of this picture up on the wall and she said it was her Grandad; from which side tho is the part i dont know about....

don.t
08-01-08, 17:37
don't forget that horses were used a great deal during the first world war and they were not only used for pulling gun limbers but also for pulling ambulances, carts & wagons as well as being used by the cavalry. I have seen it reported that Britain lost some 225,856 horses due to enemy action and disease during the war and many that were left when the war ended were sold to French butchers. It is said that the German Forces had 1.5 million horses in the war at any one time, of these 400,000 were to be killed by enemy action and 500,000 died from disease. The First World War also saw the end of the formation and charge by English cavalry which, before the war, had held supreme in other theatres of war. In one cavalry charge near Mons out of 150 horses that were used only four survived.

I would agree with you londonlass in the fact that as he is wearing spurs and has a riding crop it is more likely that he was sitting on the horse rather than sitting on a wooden board holding long reins.

don