Anyone bored? Can you help me sort this out please?

[Barbara Dodds]

I'm really confused now and wonder if anyone has a bit of spare time to get me unmuddled please. Sorry its long winded.


Working backwards I have Samuel Malthouse in 1901, born abt 1859 in Whitwell, Derbyshire. Married to Eliza (nee Richardson) RG13; Piece: 3129; Folio: 54; Page: 9.

In 1891 I have Samuel and Eliza, with Samuel giving his dob as about 1860, Whitwell, Derbyshire. RG12; Piece: 2647; Folio 35; Page 25

Samuel and Eliza married in 1884, and I have traced her family back

In 1881 I've got Samuel born abt 1858, Whitwell, with his parents John G Malthouse and Ann RG11; Piece: 3309; Folio: 43; Page: 36. There is also a younger brother Richard born abt 1864 Whitwell in the family group.

In 1871 Samuel abt 1858 is with his parents and siblings in Whitwell RG10; Piece: 3463; Folio: 40; Page: 34

In 1861 the best match I can find is at RG9; Piece: 2422; Folio: 33; Page: 27. The problem is that most of the family are listed as Samuel Malthouse Goodhall, etc. with the exception of George Moss Lunn who is described as a son (abt 1847 Whitwell). The children's names and ages all fit otherwise, and all seem to be registered under the name of Malthouse in Worksop reg. district (Samuel in 1857) There is a MIL in the household called Ann Platis.

Samuel's Father John born abt 1826 Harrogate, Yorks - a mason, and mother Ann born abt 1820 Whitwell, Derbyshire.

I can't spot a suitable marriage, and I can't find Samuel's parents before 1861 - but then I don't know what name I should be looking for

Where did George Moss Lunn come from? was he possibly Ann's child from a previous marriage. Trouble is I can't spot a birth reg for him either.


Any ideas pleease. Thanks in advance

[samesizedfeet]

what's the registration district for Whitwell?

[Barbara Dodds]

Hi Zoe, registration district for Whitwell is Worksop

Thanks

[samesizedfeet]

birth for George?

George Lunn
Year of Registration: 1846 Jun
Worksop 15 709

[fiona c]

John g. Malthouse seems to be John Goodall Malthouse, he died in 1900 aged 74.

[Barbara Dodds]

Thanks both

Looks like a likely birth there Zoe

Fiona - John G being John Goodhall Malthouse would make sense I suppose, but why on earth switch the names round. I'm sure its only done to confuse my poor little brain

[samesizedfeet]

That George may not be him as there's a George Lunn son of George and Harriet born Harthill on the 1851 census

[fiona c]

I've no idea why Barbara, have all kinds of trouble finding them in 1851 together or seperate.

I see in 1861 there is an Ann Platis as mother-in-law.

[Barbara Dodds]

OK Zoe -noted. Harthill isn't very far from Whitwell, about 5 miles I would say, even though its across the county border.


Fiona - why do you think I'm asking for help!!!! I can't find them on the 1851 either:( That name change doesn't help. I'd seen that MIL name, hope it helps you 'cos it didn't help me lol

[fiona c]

This is not good! Cart find any births in Goodall Malthouse or Malthouse Goodall. Mmmmmm

[fiona c]

There is a Peter Barnabus Malthouse born in 1860. no mention of the Goodall name there.

[Barbara Dodds]

Working from that Peter Barnabas Malthouse (thank goodness for an unusal name), I think you'll find all his siblings births as Malthouse in the Worksop reg. district.

That Goodhall name is really confusing me


added: they were baptised with the surname Malthouse as well, Peter Barnabas, William, Richard and Samuel are in batch no C047551

[fiona c]

Think the mother-in-law is Ann Platts not Platis

Maybe 1851?

HO107, Piece 2122, Folio 527, Page 24

[fiona c]

I'm thinking the goodall bit might have been a misunderstanding with the Enmurator and it's only the father John's middle name.

[Barbara Dodds]

Well that's the mother in law sorted then, and you could well be right about the confusion with the enumerator. Thanks.

Only q is now, where are John and his wife?

[fiona c]

Here's Ann Platts and Ann and John Lunn in 1841.

HO107 , Piece 196, Book 10, Folio 27, Page 19

[Barbara Dodds]

So theory would be daughter Ann married John Lunn, they have child George Moss Lunn. John Lunn then dies and Ann remarries to John G Malthouse?

[Barbara Dodds]

q3 1850 Sheffield reg district, marriages

There is a John Malthouse and an Ann Lunn on the same page - what do you reckon?


and there is a death of a John Lunn in Chesterfield reg district in 1848, q3. Could be as close as the next village!

[fiona c]

Could be, John Malthouse is from Yorkshire.

[Barbara Dodds]

Yes, and he's a Mason so would possibly move around a bit. I seem to think he was born Harrogate according to one of the censuses where we've definitely found him