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Dead Rellies
13-12-07, 14:56
Will genealogy be easier for future generations or harder.

I think it will be a lot harder.

wulliam
13-12-07, 15:11
Fewer traditional families that can be traced relatively easily...but many, many more records...don't know!!

Dead Rellies
13-12-07, 15:15
Well my logic is - it is much more easier to move around so location would be a problem, changing occupation more frequently, mutiple so called daddies, the vast amount of names on databases, these are just a few things that come to mind when i think it will be really difficult.

Velma Dinkley
13-12-07, 15:23
Pat, I think it will be easier.

More and more genealogy material is now online, aswell as so much more available on disc etc

I have no doubt that this trend will continue

Dead Rellies
13-12-07, 15:27
but also, poplulation growth, example with are looking for a rellie now and find a possible 12 and in 50 years we search for a rellie and have a possible 200 to decide from, If you think long and hard about this surely it will be harder.

Velma Dinkley
13-12-07, 15:28
Although in view of your last comment - yes it will get more complicated, especially those tracing the dysfunctional, single mother with several kids from several different fathers....:rolleyes:

Jessbowbag
13-12-07, 15:29
more people move around
more people re marry
more people dont marry at all
illigitimacy is far more common place

all of which will make it harder, well, i think so.
Certs are all very well, but co-habitting doesn't require registering

Dead Rellies
13-12-07, 15:33
Yes a very interesting debate when you stop and think about it.

Olde Crone Holden
13-12-07, 15:34
I suppose if National Insurance numbers ever come on line (historically, I mean) then it may be easier.

But I think it will get more difficult...my bad girls all lived in little villages and the Vicar recorded the names of the reputed fathers of their children and these were almost certainly the correct fathers as you couldn't get up to much in a little village without someone knowing about it.

Anyone who tries to trace me in 200 years time will have a job - I have lived in two different countries, nine different counties, over 20 different addresses, have changed my occupation radically several times and have had two married surnames. I have also lied about my age both privately and officially, lol.

OC

Merry Monty Montgomery
13-12-07, 16:10
In the immediate future, for people who have been doing their trees a while, it will get easier and/or more interesting as more online records become available.

For those who are just beginning and perhaps don't know much about their grandparents and great-grandparents, things will get easier when the 1911 census comes out, bridging the gap between the 1901 census and the date mums maiden names came onto the GRO indexes. Things will be easier for them too.

But for those who are not yet born and will want to do their trees, I think for some things will be a lot harder, because of the general breakdown in family structure and the amount people move around (both the country and the world).......

Vivienne
13-12-07, 17:44
I agree with Merry, inspite of the wealth of online resources you do have to have some idea where to look.
I have two examples of causing confusion in my own family. Son married 3 times, #1 in Gibralter, probably not too difficult as in the army, no children.
#2 in USA whilst on hols, after first child, just before second. #3 no probs, in UK before the 2 children.
When I married for the second time I insisted that I marry in my maiden name as taking ones husbands name is not compulsory only convention & my maiden name will always be my name.:)

Phoenix
13-12-07, 17:55
TNA is taking electronic capture seriously, but not everyone else is. So many of the useful corroborative records will be:
in a form that's unreadable
degraded, so only bits remain
not kept or overwritten
1% sample only kept

jemima puddleduck
13-12-07, 18:26
Interesting debate definitely!

I keep thinking of my census return for the 2001 and the confusion that may cause in later years!

In my house that night was me, OH and my son (we all have different surnames!) plus ex husband's sister, who was married by then so had a different surname again, despite being recorded as my sister in law, and a school pal of my son!

Phoenix
13-12-07, 19:27
Best mate's son - whose name might as well be John Smith - has a mobile phone, beds down on mates' floors and does casual work. Of course, there is currently a credit card/dvla trail but I doubt whether future generations will have access to such things. Or that the details he supplies are ever accurate or up to date.

Punchs mum
13-12-07, 19:48
I have found loads of info using Parish Records on micro fiche at the local study centre, especially the baptism records. How many people have their children baptised these days.......not many I know! I don't think I would have got far without these baptism records. I have found babies that were born and died in infancy that no one even knew existed in the first place
I think research will be harder for people in years to come.
Lesley

Little Nell
13-12-07, 23:20
On the one hand, the internet, the vast amount of transcribing and material available (all the censuses, being able to download Wills in seconds, etc) makes some of it easier.

But the sheer volume of the population, plus all the trends against marriage, or for serial marrying/partners, surrogate pregnancy etc makes things more complex.

On the other hand, if you find a disc with details of your ancestor's national insurance number, child benefit number, children, address etc you might be in luck!

samesizedfeet
14-12-07, 01:03
On the other hand, if you find a disc with details of your ancestor's national insurance number, child benefit number, children, address etc you might be in luck!


Only if all the recipients have been totally truthful with the Benefits agency about their circumstances.
Same goes for census information if they ever make current ones available.

I'd guess they'll be several thousands of missing men who are actually residing with girlfriends but can't own up to it because girlfriend is claiming an allowance for being a single parent. I have my doubts as to whether they would have been included on the census returns.

And all these men that lead double lives with two wives at opposit eneds of the country. If I recall census are now done on who "normally resides" at the address not just who is there on that specific date.


And then you'll have people that take as gospel some of the poorly researched trees they will find online and think that's their tree sorted for them.


And in 100 years time how many people are going to be on forums like this asking if they can get access to Jedi records as their ancestor's religion was Jedi Knight?

And there's children born to single parents who are adopted by or take a step-parents name. That's near on impossible to find out about. My half sister didn't find out until her wedding that the surname she used all her life wasn't her real surname.


The last few generations have really come up with some fantastic ways to make future research nearly impossible.

Helen Henderson
14-12-07, 09:22
I do wonder how people will find our family in the future, as my son was premature, born at a specialist hospital away from where we lived. He missed both the 1981 and 1991 census as we were stationed in Germany with the RAF. Hence we will be "missing" for 20 years!!

More on-line records will be helpful, but will official records be available with all the concern about data protection?

I would love to be around in a hundred years time just to find out!:D

vikki brace
14-12-07, 10:28
I think it will be easier for future generations to research historical records, with more and more going online, but I think when it comes to future generations researching the 1950's onwards I think it will be more difficult

Lots of single families, much easier to travel, and many more difficulties we are throwing in the works all the time....... Well our ancestors haven't made it too easy for us, so why should we for our decendants;)

(can you tell I have a vicious streak:))

Rosie Knees
14-12-07, 10:43
In the unlikely even anyone would want to trace me in 100 years time I will be easy to find I think. Lived in same county all my life (within about 15 miles!). Only had 5 addresses. Only worked at 5 companies and never married. Also told truth on census.

However, I think anyone viewing late 20th century and 21st century censuses should take the information with a large pinch of salt lol. I think people these days often have no respect for authority and have a 'why should I?' attitude, hence the reference above to occupation Jedi Knight lol.

So I would say harder in that respect and also the lack of marriages (me included lol) and baptisms..

Barbara Dodds
14-12-07, 10:47
I think things could be a lot harder.

As has previously been said social mobility is one factor, as are co-habiting, unmarried mothers and the fact that you don't have to take your husbands surname.

I know of one family where the parents are married, wife has kept her maiden name and the childrens births are registered as xxx ap **** in the Welsh fashion, where **** is the fathers Christian name. I think they would be almost impossible to trace if you didn't already know the answers:eek:

Phoenix
14-12-07, 12:18
I tried to make life easier for researchers... by appearing TWICE on several censuses. Unfortunately, as someone said, that loophole is now closed.

JBee
14-12-07, 14:04
In some ways it will be easier -

in that so many people are researching their family trees and will be leaving them to family members who hopefully will look after them and pass them down.

so many records held about people in different data bases.

but then I look at various branches of current tree and think no way will people be able to make head or tail of the different relationships in the future.

Also whereas in the past you could see where entries had been corrected and often a reason why - with the computer age its gone at the touch of a button and new info submitted without any indication a change has been made.

If you look at the format information has been recorded on over the last few years - will there be the technology to decipher older records on obsolete sytems?

Who's to say that records willl be kept longer than a few years or some idiot hasn't deleted huge chunks by mistake!!!

If the current birth rate continues and with integration of many nationalities most people will have many different foreign ancestors whose records may not be too easy to research ie worse than Irish ancestors currently.

maggie_4_7
15-12-07, 01:15
I voted easier, I think because we are more organised and consistent with keeping records presently and we're more literate. Not so many mispellings or misunderstandings on where you were born - can't happen now. In fact Big Brother can't get enough of it. Data protection don't make me laugh...

We can't see them at the moment but imagine in 150 years time! Old census', Birth records, Credit Cards, NI numbers, Telephone directories, Electorial rolls, Blogs, myspace, face book,192.com and last but not least all those family trees and photographs uploaded willy nilly to the internet :p you'll probably be able to access CCTV for the street you're researching.

Of course that could make it harder - the too much information clause but if they're good researchers they'll cross check all their information - what would have taken us a few months/years will probably take them hours. Just ask anyone on this forum who started 20-30 years ago.

xx
Maggie

EDIT to say: also they'll have so many photographs they'll get sick of them, I only wish I had some photos of my ancestors just to see what they looked like especially my gg grandmother Caroline - she was a one off.

maggie_4_7
15-12-07, 01:31
Although in view of your last comment - yes it will get more complicated, especially those tracing the dysfunctional, single mother with several kids from several different fathers....:rolleyes:


Why?

All births are still recorded in the same way nothing has changed.

xx

Maggie

Olde Crone Holden
15-12-07, 01:38
Maggie

No, I disagree.

Research was certainly slower 20 years ago, but I think it was probably more accurate in some ways because there was little to distract you - you identified the parish and you searched through the records, making your own judgements about what you found.

There was little exchange of information between strangers which had the advantage of limiting the barmy tree builders.

My biggest surprise when I got on the internet was the enormous numbers of rubbish trees which float around as gospel and are eagerly copied by the unsuspecting newbie, who then passes it on as gospel and so on...

Although the internet has made it much easier and faster to search for resources and information, it has had the unwanted effect of making people think they can do it all on line - you can't.

And I don't think you will be able to in 200 years time, either, because the same misinformation will be floating around, the same wrong assumptions and the same idea that you can create a family tree using the internet alone.

OC

maggie_4_7
15-12-07, 01:57
Maggie

No, I disagree.

Research was certainly slower 20 years ago, but I think it was probably more accurate in some ways because there was little to distract you - you identified the parish and you searched through the records, making your own judgements about what you found.

There was little exchange of information between strangers which had the advantage of limiting the barmy tree builders.

My biggest surprise when I got on the internet was the enormous numbers of rubbish trees which float around as gospel and are eagerly copied by the unsuspecting newbie, who then passes it on as gospel and so on...

Although the internet has made it much easier and faster to search for resources and information, it has had the unwanted effect of making people think they can do it all on line - you can't.

And I don't think you will be able to in 200 years time, either, because the same misinformation will be floating around, the same wrong assumptions and the same idea that you can create a family tree using the internet alone.

OC

I agree with you but amongst all the misinformation will be a lot of real information as long as one is a good reasearcher and as I said crosschecks everything and doesn't take anything on face value just like now then it will be easier in so much that the first resource will be on-line.

Even the information on where to go or who to telephone how to do things and where to start.

Its access to information and instruction that makes it easier.

Forums with people that have already done it! :) and can explain the pitfalls and also the routes. The sharing of information is paramount. Some people may be precious about their personal tree information that is their perogative but information about how to do it, where to go, who to telephone etc.

As for people who build up family trees without real constructive research should be shot on sight. I've never understood it. The real kick is when you find that elusive ancestor and how interesting they are and they are RELATED and you know them well by the end of it, in fact so well you're proud of them whoever or whatever they were and whatever they did.

I've had a few hot matchs on GR and have been contacted - my family on my grandmother's side seem really popular they're appearing all over the place. I have put a few right on that but a few chose to ignore me for some reason! Whatever!!



xx
Maggie

Jean and Tonic
15-12-07, 02:23
I have a friend who's husband took her name when they married ........that will be confusing !

She said his name was boring ....... so they both decided to take hers.

maggie_4_7
15-12-07, 02:36
I find that strange. The history of names must be whatever you're mother/father's was, I know over the centuries the spellings have changed and whatnot but the essence was always family name.

I have never liked my names purely from a just a 'not like' reason, I have my father's name, I never knew him its the only thing he gave me. I have always revered my mother's family they brought me up they are my family but I wouldn't ever change my name because it's MY name. Even when I got married I had a chance to but I didn't.

I've always thought we should change that thing about taking the husband's name but then I don't think they should change their's either.

xx

Maggie

Len of the Chilterns
15-12-07, 22:52
I suspect it will be easier, due to Big Brother and evermore detailed records but will be much more difficult to print out trees owing to lack of permanence in marriages/partnerships.

One neice already causes me a headache, having got through 3 husbands with two children from each relationship, each child apparently set on emulating mum. Thankfully (for me, if not for her) she is now beyond the child-bearing age. Having said that, I wonder if she and her current partner have thoughts re IVF or adoption.

Why did I ever get involved with genealogy?

Merry Monty Montgomery
15-12-07, 23:11
If we are talking about people doing a tree in say 200 years time, maybe we should remember that those of us who say we will be difficult to trace are only part of one branch (usually, anyway!) of that future person's tree.

We probably all have some branches which are really tricky and others that are not too difficult. Maybe it will be just the same for others in the future?

Olde Crone Holden
15-12-07, 23:19
Merry

Errr...are you insinuating that I will not be the most interesting person on my descendants tree in 200 years time???

Mind you, if Ancestry get hold of me, it won't matter much whether I told the truth or not - they have managed to turn my Daniel Urquhart into David Linguhant, a locomotive Lugins Bleaner, born in Gamrie, Gansie, or Gavvie, which is in the county of variously, Banffshire, Aberdeen and Lanarkshire, depending which census you consult.

OC

KiwiChris
15-12-07, 23:21
I think that the difficulty of people moving around is something that we, the children of migrants, already face. Almost every branch of my family involves different birth/marriage/death places in this country, let alone the fact that they all arrived here from different parts of the UK!

Merry Monty Montgomery
15-12-07, 23:24
Merry

Errr...are you insinuating that I will not be the most interesting person on my descendants tree in 200 years time???



No!

Only that if they get stuck with you they will move on to another line!!

They won't know you would have been a "gateway ancestor" if only you hadn't been so secretive about yourself!! lolol

Olde Crone Holden
15-12-07, 23:34
*makes post it note to self: write "I am a gateway ancestor" on the next census*

OC