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mateer1987
08-05-19, 15:41
Hi,

I am looking for James William Harding. I have his baptism record - he was baptised in Surrey. His father is John Harding, he was a soldier and his mother is Elizabeth Harding.

John William Harding was baptised on the 26 February 1814.

I also know he was married to Louisa Geer and had 7 children - James (1843) Ann (1847) George (1852) John Harding (1850) Mary Ann (1857) Florence (1863) Arthur Harding (1866)

I have been unable to locate his birth, marriage and death records. Im wondering if anyone might have better luck. I am a newbie at all this and am useless haha.

Lin Fisher
08-05-19, 16:30
Hi

Just looked up James 1843 and Florence 1863 on GRO and mothers maiden name is Anssley on both so looked up marriages on FreeBMD

James William Harding marries Louisa Anssley Sep 1841 Steyning.

That's a start

Lin Fisher
08-05-19, 16:37
He is lo the 1891 census. Looks like he dies 1895 in Bridgton but it only said James.

Elizabeth Herts
08-05-19, 16:40
I don't think Louisa was Geer.

James William Harding married Louisa Anssley Q3 1841 in Steyning Registration District

Children:
HARDING, JAMES HENRY ANSSLEY
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in BRIGHTHELMSTON Volume 07 Page 259

HARDING, ANN ELIZABETH ANSSLEY
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in STEYNING UNION Volume 07 Page 500

HARDING, JOHN ANSSLEY

GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in STEYNING UNION Volume 07 Page 485



HARDING, HENRY ANSLEY
GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in BRIGHTHELMSTON Volume 02B Page 210

HARDING, JOSEPH ANSSLEY
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in STEYNING Volume 02B Page 226

HARDING, FLORENCE ANSSLEY
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in STEYNING Volume 02B Page 252

HARDING, ARTHUR ANSSLEY
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in STEYNING Volume 02B Page 244


Each time, the mother's maiden name is given at the end of the first line.

mateer1987
08-05-19, 17:29
Fair enough, I was going on some research another relative gave me so unsure where she got this info from as I was never able to find marriage for louisa geer and james william harding.

How would I go about finding a birth record for him? as I say I have found his baptism record and that is all I can find. I know at the time of baptism his parents lived on croydon barracks as John (james father) was a soldier but thats the limit to my knowledge

would like to be able to delve further back into my tree if possible. although I'm sure it gets harder the further back you try and go

Elizabeth Herts
08-05-19, 17:43
A baptism is all you will get in 1814 as civil registration wasn't introduced until 1837.

Elizabeth Herts
08-05-19, 17:48
So this is his baptism:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/4772/40761_311941-00263?pid=337348&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid%3D4772%26h%3D337348%26indiv%3Dtry%26o _vc%3DRecord:OtherRecord%26rhSource%3D4772&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true

at St John, Croydon, Surrey

However, for the same parish there is this, with birth dates:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/4772/40761_311941-00236?pid=336288&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid%3D4772%26h%3D336288%26indiv%3Dtry%26o _vc%3DRecord:OtherRecord%26rhSource%3D4772&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true

No. 283 born 28th January 1814

Lin Fisher
08-05-19, 18:06
1861 census has Louisa Geor widow aged 78 living with them. This is probably where they have the name from. Have attached it as I don't think the transcription is very accurate due to the writing and could be a number of variations.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1861%2F0605%2F00216A&parentid=GBC%2F1861%2F0003923132

Lin Fisher
08-05-19, 18:21
Just found this 1841 census

James Geer 50
Louisa Geer 49
Louisa Ansly 19
Wm Asdly 10

Looks like the family you need but need to work out why the different names

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC/1841/1112/0241&parentid=GBC/1841/0014865423

Elizabeth Herts
08-05-19, 18:22
More details of the marriage:

Name: James William Harding
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Jul 1841
Event Place: St Andrews, Hove, Sussex, England
Gender: Male
Age:
Marital Status: Single
Birth Year (Estimated):
Father's Name: John Harding
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Name: Louisa Anssley
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Father's Name: John Anssley
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Volume:
GS Film Number: 001067212
Digital Folder Number: 004426921
Image Number: 00051

Elizabeth Herts
08-05-19, 18:25
This is interesting:



1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Farman Street, Hove, Steyning, Sussex, England
James Geer Male 50 1791 Sussex, England
Louisa Geer Female 49 1792 Sussex, England
Louisa Ansly Female 19 1822 Sussex, England
William Ansly Male 10 1831 Sussex, England
Mary Gardner Female 30 1811 -

Elizabeth Herts
08-05-19, 18:26
Snap!

Just found this 1841 census

James Geer 50
Louisa Geer 49
Louisa Ansly 19
Wm Asdly 10

Looks like the family you need but need to work out why the different names

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC/1841/1112/0241&parentid=GBC/1841/0014865423

Elizabeth Herts
08-05-19, 18:28
There is this burial:

First name(s) John
Last name Ansley
Age 42
Birth year 1788
Death year 1830
Burial year 1830
Burial date 03 Jun 1830
Dedication St.Nicholas
Place Brighton
County Sussex
Country England
Record set Sussex Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials

Is this Louisa's father, and is Louisa Geer her mother who re-married?

Elizabeth Herts
08-05-19, 18:29
Here we are:

First name(s) James
Last name Geer
Name note -
Marriage year 1833
Marriage date 1833
Marriage place Hove
Spouse's first name(s) Louisa
Spouse's last name Ainsley
Residence Hove, Sussex, England
County Sussex
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages

mateer1987
08-05-19, 18:36
so i dont have a lot of hope going back much further with my tree? i mean as in finding further info on james william hardings family? would army records be any help as his father was a soldier?

mateer1987
08-05-19, 18:37
the first link is the baptism record i have yes


More details of the marriage:

Name: James William Harding
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Jul 1841
Event Place: St Andrews, Hove, Sussex, England
Gender: Male
Age:
Marital Status: Single
Birth Year (Estimated):
Father's Name: John Harding
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Name: Louisa Anssley
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Father's Name: John Anssley
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Volume:
GS Film Number: 001067212 (tel:001067212)
Digital Folder Number: 004426921 (tel:004426921)
Image Number: 00051


So this is his baptism:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/4772/40761_311941-00263?pid=337348&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid%3D4772%26h%3D337348%26indiv%3Dtry%26o _vc%3DRecord:OtherRecord%26rhSource%3D4772&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true

at St John, Croydon, Surrey

However, for the same parish there is this, with birth dates:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/4772/40761_311941-00236?pid=336288&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid%3D4772%26h%3D336288%26indiv%3Dtry%26o _vc%3DRecord:OtherRecord%26rhSource%3D4772&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true

No. 283 born 28th January 1814

Elizabeth Herts
08-05-19, 18:43
so i dont have a lot of hope going back much further with my tree? i mean as in finding further info on james william hardings family? would army records be any help as his father was a soldier?

It might be difficult if James Harding's family moved around a lot with the army, but not impossible. Yes, we need to look at army records, but as John Harding is a common name it might be like looking for a needle in a haystack. It would help if we knew he came from Surrey or Sussex, for example.

mateer1987
08-05-19, 19:00
fair enough thats given me a bit of hope. the only other info i have on him is on the baptism record and that is he is married to elizabeth. so like you say not a lot to really go on

Sussex Maid
09-05-19, 15:53
The 1841 marriage certificate is available to view on Family Search (sign in and go to Hove; church records; marriages 1837-1874; image 51 of 540)
James William Harding, full age, bachelor, occupation labourer, abode Hove, father - John Harding, shoemaker
Louisa Anssley, full age, spinster, abode Hove, father - John Anssley, no occupation given
James made his mark; Louisa signed; Witnesses -Joseph Stevenson and Ann Stevenson both made their mark.

The 1833 marriage is also on Family Search (Hove, General Register marriages 1812-1837, image 664 of 703)
James Geer of this parish; Louisa Ainsley of this parish; by Banns 8 April 1833; both made their mark; Witnesses - Mary Broo....? and the mark of Sarah ?Warren

Regards

mateer1987
10-05-19, 11:03
thats great thank you so much!!

would it be possible to learn more about john harding and his wife elizabeth. being that he was a soldier intrigues me especially it being in 19th century. i know at time of james harding baptism they were living on croydon barracks


The 1841 marriage certificate is available to view on Family Search (sign in and go to Hove; church records; marriages 1837-1874; image 51 of 540)
James William Harding, full age, bachelor, occupation labourer, abode Hove, father - John Harding, shoemaker
Louisa Anssley, full age, spinster, abode Hove, father - John Anssley, no occupation given
James made his mark; Louisa signed; Witnesses -Joseph Stevenson and Ann Stevenson both made their mark.

The 1833 marriage is also on Family Search (Hove, General Register marriages 1812-1837, image 664 of 703)
James Geer of this parish; Louisa Ainsley of this parish; by Banns 8 April 1833; both made their mark; Witnesses - Mary Broo....? and the mark of Sarah ?Warren

Regards

Elizabeth Herts
10-05-19, 12:01
Was this where John Harding was?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitcham_Road_Barracks,_Croydon

If we find out which regiment he belonged to he will be easier to trace.

mateer1987
10-05-19, 15:23
I want to say yes but truth be known I have no clue. I would say it was a good candidate, I only have james william harding baptism record and it says croydon barracks. If it helps baptism was carried out in the parish of croydon - county of surrey


Was this where John Harding was?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitcham_Road_Barracks,_Croydon

If we find out which regiment he belonged to he will be easier to trace.

vera2013
11-05-19, 02:01
Was this where John Harding was?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitcham_Road_Barracks,_Croydon

If we find out which regiment he belonged to he will be easier to trace.

The Barracks housed soldiers from the Grenadier, Coldstream and Scots Guards

I can see a John Harding on Forces War Records, a Private in the Coldstream Guards.. He received a Clasp for the battle at Talavera. Nothing else to link him to your John. Not seeing Service Records on FMP

FMP have a John Harding who attested in Bristol 1806 for the Scots Fusilier Guards, discharged 1831. He was born near Barnstable, Devon 1788. Service record available on that one but nothing to indicate marriage to Elizabeth although he went AWOL 1814 for a couple of months,

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM/WO97/175/672231

Vera

mateer1987
11-05-19, 16:25
I have come across this record on ancestry but dont really understand so not sure that it would be any help with John that I am looking for

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/4792/40762_308475-00551?pid=430698&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D4792%26h%3D430698%26tid %3D45913599%26pid%3D25801997002%26hid%3D1050601482 346%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DfiF39%26_phstart%3D default%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue&treeid=45913599&personid=25801997002&hintid=1050601482346&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fiF39&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true

aswell as a census record from 1851 and 1861 and a possible baptism record

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=1176237&tid=45913599&pid=25801997002&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fiF44&_phstart=successSource

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/kenrg9_423_426-0520?pid=6751291&treeid=45913599&personid=25801997002&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fiF40&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/kenrg9_423_426-0520?pid=6751291&treeid=45913599&personid=25801997002&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fiF40&_phstart=successSource)

Baptism
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/4790/42642_611411_2896-00130?pid=9043113&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid%3D4790%26h%3D9043113%26indiv%3Dtry%26 o_vc%3DRecord:OtherRecord%26rhSource%3D8860&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true

again not sure if it proves much