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RosieAH
03-05-19, 19:34
Can anyone help suggest where to look for a marriage that seems impossible to find?
I have a birth cert and death cert for Eric Meacher 1915-1989.
His wife was Eveline/Evelyn - they had sons born 1940's and 1950's, Hampshire.
She was Irish born 1911.
Searched in vain for many years so if anyone can help please do. Thanks.:question:

Val wish Id never started
03-05-19, 20:00
do you know the wifes maiden name

Val wish Id never started
03-05-19, 20:05
or could you pm me the chidrens names

Katarzyna
03-05-19, 20:06
What was the maiden name of the mother of the boys born in the 1940/50's? Not the boys' names in case they are still living.

OOps didn't see you there Val.

Val wish Id never started
03-05-19, 20:07
thats okay Kat many hands make light work

Val wish Id never started
03-05-19, 20:31
could this be his wife

EVELYN MAUD
Last name MEACHER
Gender Female
Birth day 2
Birth month 4
Birth year 1911
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1990
District Southampton
Register number 390
County Hampshire
Volume 20
Page 1735
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Katarzyna
03-05-19, 20:37
I can only see Garrett as a mmn having 3 Meacham boys during 1940/50's - all the others have girls too.
To match the Evelyn Val posted there is this one:

Births Dec 1911
Garrett Evelyn L??? mmn Garrett Christchurch 2b 1189

It is possible they never married.

Val wish Id never started
03-05-19, 21:03
if its any help Evelyns will is here scroll down
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=meacher&yearOfDeath=1990&page=1#calendar

Katarzyna
03-05-19, 21:33
Clutching at straws here lol!

There is an Evelyn Warren on 1939 register married to Arthur Ed Warren living Portsmouth with birth date 2 April 1911 as the death reg posted above.
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=dRT210&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=1939ukregister&gsfn=eve*&gsln_x=1&cp=0&msbdy=1911&msbdy_x=1&msbdm=4&msbdm_x=1&msbdd=2&msbdd_x=1&msrdy_x=1&msrpn__ftp=hampshire,%20england,%20united%20kingdo m&msrpn__ftp_x=1&msrpn=5266&msrpn_x=1&_83004005-n=single&new=1&rank=1&uidh=5u8&redir=false&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=0&h=2202704&recoff=&ml_rpos=1

The marriage was:
Marriages Dec 1928

Spencer Evelyn Portsmouth 2b 1411
Warren Arthur E Portsmouth 2b 1411

Olde Crone Holden
03-05-19, 21:33
She may be the one who married William J Ventham in 1929. If so, seems possible she was never free to marry.

OC

Edit - or maybe not!

Katarzyna
03-05-19, 21:44
Garrett Evelyn M Ventham Bourne 7a 1829 - mistranscribed as Bourne instead of Bournemouth

Marriages Sep 1928
Applin Albert E Bailey Bournemouth 2b 1829
Bailey Edith A Applin Bournemouth 2b 1829
Ventham William J Garrett Bournemouth 2b 1829

You could be right OC it is Evelyn M

Edit: 1939 register Evelyn M Ventham 29 Nov 1902 :(

Katarzyna
03-05-19, 21:50
SPENCER, EVELYN mmn CRAVEN
GRO Reference: 1911 Jun Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 465

Edit: this could be Arthur's death in which case if this is your Evelyn she wouldn't have been free to marry unless they had divorced.
Name: Arthur Warren
Death Age: 64
Birth Date: 1906
Registration Date: Apr 1970
[May 1970]
[Jun 1970]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 1496

Olde Crone Holden
03-05-19, 22:20
Confused now......do we not think she was Garrett, as per the boys' registrations?

OC

Katarzyna
03-05-19, 22:30
We haven't heard from the poster yet to verify they are Garretts, OC. They were the only ones I could see for Meachers in Hampshire with just sons that had been suggested by in the 1st post.

Chrissie Smiff
04-05-19, 09:52
Rosie said that Evelyn was born in Ireland though :confused:

Also, Eric was Eric Victor Meacher according to the death ref. Born 20th Jan 1915 mmn Cook.

Births Mar 1915 - MEACHER Eric V Cook Southampton 2c 119

Katarzyna
04-05-19, 10:16
Yes agreed Chrissie but if you have been looking for "many years" then I think you have to start looking for other options. We know people lied about or guessed about where they were born, married etc etc.

Edit : I did look for Evelyn/Eveline Garrett births in Ireland but not found.

Olde Crone Holden
04-05-19, 10:40
Kat

Yes, I could only see births for males with Garrett as mmn.

We need the poster to return!

OC

Chrissie Smiff
04-05-19, 10:44
Yes Kat, agreed:)

Olde Crone Holden
04-05-19, 11:05
Just done a quick check of maiden names for Meacher children born in Hampshire between 1940 and 1960 (there may have been girls who died young and the poster doesn't know). I can identify nearly all the marriages and none are anything like Eric V to Evelyn. Garrett is the only maiden name which does not match to a marriage. Bossley doesn't match a marriage either, but there is only one birth with that mmn.

OC

Chrissie Smiff
04-05-19, 11:17
Of course there is always the other possibility that Evelyn lied about her age, as she was already admitting to about 4 years difference. There are loads of possibilities in 1911 of Evelyn and Eveline.
Of course that wouldn't explain the lack of a marriage.

Katarzyna
04-05-19, 13:02
Cannot see where she has admitted to the 4 years difference Chrissie??? We only have her death transcription to go on.
I would like to know where the Irish birth info comes from. Maybe Eric has military records with Evelyn named as NOK.
Please come back Rosie and help us out!

vera2013
04-05-19, 14:46
I found some military records on FMP for an E V Meacher, 5497179, 1st Batt, Hants Rgt. He was wounded in Malta 1842. Previous records also for India 1939 and Palestine.
The Rgt continued in France until the end of the War apparently.
Still not seeing a marriage.

Vera

Anne in Carlisle
04-05-19, 15:59
If she really was Irish maybe the marriage was in Ireland?
Anne

Katarzyna
04-05-19, 18:51
I did check Irish records for Eric Meacher but none found.

Chrissie Smiff
05-05-19, 09:05
Cannot see where she has admitted to the 4 years difference Chrissie??? We only have her death transcription to go on.
I would like to know where the Irish birth info comes from. Maybe Eric has military records with Evelyn named as NOK.
Please come back Rosie and help us out!

I was going by the birth years that Rosie gave for Eric and Evelyn/Evaline in her first post Kat.

Yes Rosie, please come back, we need more guidance:)

Katarzyna
05-05-19, 10:07
Oh, I see what you mean Chrissie. Bit slow catching on. Women don't lie about their ages do they?
Have checked Army and overseas marriages and cannot see anything there for Eric Meacher. :(

Chrissie Smiff
05-05-19, 10:16
Oh, I see what you mean Chrissie. Bit slow catching on. Women don't lie about their ages do they?
Have checked Army and overseas marriages and cannot see anything there for Eric Meacher. :(

Of course not Kat;):rotfl: Silly me.

Until we know for sure which are their children I think we are stuck. As the children are likely to be alive, and our T&C's don't allow the names of living people, you can Private Message me their names if you wish Rosie?

Katarzyna
05-05-19, 10:19
I can identify nearly all the marriages and none are anything like Eric V to Evelyn. Garrett is the only maiden name which does not match to a marriage. Bossley doesn't match a marriage either, but there is only one birth with that mmn.

OC

Margaret C Bossley married Edward Meacher Dec 1936 just to clear that one up.
I see the poster hasn't been on site since she first posted. Hopefully she will be back after the Bank holiday weekend.

Olde Crone Holden
05-05-19, 11:06
Thanks Kat, don't know how I missed that one.

OC