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mcnaught
14-04-19, 15:29
Hello there,

I've been trying for years to get over my brick wall, without success. I thought I´d try from a different angle. Mr John Beaumont born 1775 in England, possibly Yorkshire. Went to work in Haddington, Scotland as a gardener. He was there in the 1841 census, I can only find one child, George Beaumont born 1818. I cannot find any trace of a marriage, and no mother was on the death certificate of son George. John Beaumont died a pauper in Haddington in 1845.
I was wondering if there is anyone out there who are researching the Beaumont family, and perhaps found a relative who moved to Scotland.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, any help would be welcome.:confused:

cbcarolyn
14-04-19, 16:02
the child you have found, where were they born? when did they die?

cbcarolyn
14-04-19, 16:06
wrong....

Val wish Id never started
14-04-19, 16:36
is this them in 1851
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

3, East Richmond Street, St Cuthbert's, Barony of Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Beaumont Head Married Male 31 1820 Slater Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Elizabeth Beaumont Wife Married Female 30 1821 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
George Beaumont Son - Male 11 1840 Scholar Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Helen Beaumont Daughter Female 7 1844 Scholar Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
John Beaumont Son Male 1 1850 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Mary Paterson Lodger Female 3 1848 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Val wish Id never started
14-04-19, 16:49
20085
found this marriage may be them
John Beumont spelt slightly differently
Marrying a Margaret Murray 21 Apr 1822 Haddington

cbcarolyn
14-04-19, 17:00
this one looks interesting - no images for Scotland on Ancestry - I hadn't realised - says he is son in law
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1871Scotland&indiv=try&h=3142783

I was thinking that he died young as "no mother on death cert" so this is probably a complete red herring, and born in England

Bertie
14-04-19, 18:10
20085
found this marriage may be them
John Beumont spelt slightly differently
Marrying a Margaret Murray 21 Apr 1822 Haddington

Looking at the record, it is notable that a Stewart BEAUMONT [BEUMONT] is a cautioner for the marriage [i.e. providing surety in case the marriage did no go ahead] - poss. brother?

Bertie
14-04-19, 18:15
An interesting baptism:

Name Margaret Murray Beaumont
Gender Female
Christening Date 12 Jan 1834
Christening Place , HADDINGTON, EAST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 03 Dec 1833
Father's Name James Beaumont
Mother's Name Janet Goodale

But perhaps a different family

Bertie
14-04-19, 18:38
There is more information here:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=656069.0

Which is the poster's previous thread (note to poster: it is helpful to place all you know in your post, including previous research requests, as it means those who want to help you can avoid wasted effort!)

Val wish Id never started
14-04-19, 19:15
oh how frustrating, but I've got to confess ,I have posted a thread forgetting I had posted it some time ago.
And I used 6 of my Scotlands People credits:(

cbcarolyn
14-04-19, 20:03
I am a bit confused reading the thread on Roots chat if the mother is known or the one mentioned has been dismissed and not his wife at all.

there seems to be spelling Beamont too

Val wish Id never started
14-04-19, 21:42
I'm confused too

cbcarolyn
14-04-19, 22:07
from rootschat: "I don´t have a lot of info about the Beaumonts unfortunately. I am trying to go back to find out more about them. I know that John had a son, George b: 1818 in Haddingtonshire. He married Elizabeth Marr in 1837. They moved from Edinburgh to Glasgow in 1853 after she was released from a prison sentence for culpable homicide. They had 8 children, only two survived and one of them was my G Grandfather John b: 1850 d:1916. George his father died in 1858, and there was no mother´s name on the death certificate. Their only daughter Eleanor b:1842 did live into adulthood and was married to a James Scott who was a pawnbroker. She died young though. So I really don´t have much to go on. This is one branch of my family tree that has given me the most work, and the least info.
Hope there is someone out there looking for the same family."

....so wife mentioned is Georges wife :) so John wife still unknown

cbcarolyn
15-04-19, 09:02
there are several marriages in York, why do you think he maybe from Yorkshire? and could any of them be the one?

2 likley are to Dorothy armitage and sarah goodland

Bertie
15-04-19, 09:14
Please provide the 1841 and other census details for us to see.

I can find no baptism details for George in Scotland but there are possibilities in Yorkshire and elsewhere.

Have you investigated this marriage?:

JOHN BEAUMONT
HENRIETTA NEILLINGS
13/08/1837
709/80 138
Haddington

This might be a second marriage. The earlier Haddington marriage does not fit with George's birth but could, nevertheless, be a valid one for John [making it a 3rd marriage possibility assuming he did marry before the birth of George].

Given the lack of suitable evidence in Haddington before c.1819 was John married and fathered George in Yorkshire then went to Haddington at a later date?

Chrissie Smiff
15-04-19, 09:55
I think this must be the one that is meant -
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=KSM98&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=1841scotland&gsfn=John&gsln=Beaumont&cp=0&msrpn__ftp=haddington,%20east%20lothian,%20scotlan d,%20united%20kingdom&msrpn=90660&new=1&rank=1&uidh=uo6&redir=false&msT=1&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=3&h=830763&recoff=&ml_rpos=4

Bertie
15-04-19, 09:57
I think this must be the one that is meant -
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=KSM98&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=1841scotland&gsfn=John&gsln=Beaumont&cp=0&msrpn__ftp=haddington,%20east%20lothian,%20scotlan d,%20united%20kingdom&msrpn=90660&new=1&rank=1&uidh=uo6&redir=false&msT=1&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=3&h=830763&recoff=&ml_rpos=4

Thanks Chrissie but I cannot see it [no current sub]!

I can see George in 1851 in Edinburgh stating he was born Haddingtonshire. However, per above posts, if he was born in Yorkshire and moved to Haddington while young he may have believed he was born in Scotland [it's not that unusual in my experience]

Katarzyna
15-04-19, 10:19
1841
Name: John Beamont
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1775
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Civil Parish: Haddington
County: East Lothian
Address: Market Street
Occupation: Gardener J
Parish Number: 709
Household Members:
Name Age
John Beamont 66

Chrissie Smiff
15-04-19, 10:31
John Beaumont died a pauper in Haddington in 1845

Where did you find this information please? I can't find it on Scotland's People using various options i.e. surname fuzzy, all churches etc.

p.s. I can't find the birth for George in Haddington either.

Bertie
15-04-19, 12:25
John Beaumont died a pauper in Haddington in 1845

Where did you find this information please? I can't find it on Scotland's People using various options i.e. surname fuzzy, all churches etc.

p.s. I can't find the birth for George in Haddington either.

Re. John's death - as you know civil registration did not occur in Scotland until 1855, and in many parishes in Scotland the earlier burial / mortcloth records do not exist or are extremely patchy: Haddington is such a parish: all in all there is no official burial record for him. Nor can I find any newspaper article for him. I imagine the poster must have some pretty specific and accurate information regarding this

Re. George see my post #15 - I think it likely he was born inn England as there are none in Scotland

Chrissie Smiff
15-04-19, 13:26
That's the detail of John's death that I am hoping that Eileen will come back and tell us Bertie.

Re the birth, there are several possible births in England with father John but, apart from one George whose marriage is listed, it could be any one of them. Also, as you know, just because we can't find a birth in Scotland doesn't mean absolutely that there wasn't one. So again, I am hoping Eileen will come and tell us how she knows for sure he was born in Scotland.

cbcarolyn
15-04-19, 18:50
... and also if Yorkshire is correct as birth for John. I feel that 1818 is an unusually late date for first child in those times, John would have been 43.

cbcarolyn
15-04-19, 19:49
there are several marriages in York, why do you think he maybe from Yorkshire? and could any of them be the one?

2 likley are to Dorothy armitage and sarah goodland
neither of these look good now.

Bertie
16-04-19, 04:54
I feel that 1818 is an unusually late date for first child in those times, John would have been 43.

Agreed - that's why a 2nd marriage is a possibility, assuming that George IS the son of John.