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zoomer
22-04-18, 19:58
I have misplaced information about my American grandfather. I know the following: he was born Feb 3, 1895 in Traverse City, Grand Traverse Co., Michigan, USA & married April 17, 1920 in Highland Park, Wayne Co., Michigan. I am trying to find his death record for 1954. I believe he died in West Virginia. familysearch.org does not have the record. I would also like to know how to search US death records for free.

There were two families named Bates that settled in Traverse City, Michigan in the 1800s. Frederick William's grandfather was named Thomas Bates, not to be confused with the one with the same name who was born in the state of New York. Our Thomas was born in England but I don't currently know where or when. Frederick's father was Thomas C. Bates. I know little about him. The line is as follows: Thomas, Thomas C., Frederick William, Robert William, then me.

Frederick Wm. was married to Ruth Permilly Dalzell, a descendant of the Dalzells of Armagh County, Ulster. Our Dalzells settled in Pennsylvania about 1700. Her grandfather was Lt. Major John Dalzell of Ohio, Ohio 5th Cavlary, (Union side) in the Civil War.

vera2013
22-04-18, 23:40
West Virginia Death Index

William Fredrick Bates
Born about 1895

Died 10 December 1953
Cabell Co, W Virginia

Aged 58

Father Thomas Bates
Mother Josephine Allgaier

FHL film no 559884

Vera

PhotoFamily
23-04-18, 02:58
WV historic records are also available for free online. Choose your man from this list - I think there are two records for him:

http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_dcresults.aspx?LastName=bates&FirstName=william&County=All&Year=1953&PlusMinus=Exact&Search=Exact&NumRec=25

click on the item that you want, then click "View the record image" in the upper left hand corner.
-or- just click on the index's file size, right column and it will take you directly to the image...

PhotoFamily
23-04-18, 03:13
accessing US records for free...
well, you can sign up for two weeks initial membership on ancestry for free - be sure to cancel before the two weeks are up
familysearch.org is free, but you do need to register (free)
your local family history center will have free access to many subscription websites, including Ancestry, fold3, MyHeritage, NewspaperArchives, New England (ugh, can't remember what they call themselves now), and more
your local public library will often have free access to ancestry (but not as extensive access as the one at an FHC)
google will often turn up records (like obits!) without charge - but it's very limited and area specific
many public libraries and genealogy societies in the region where your ancestor lived will provide free or low cost look ups.

the reference section here may provide more location-specific resources.

wiki.familysearch.org also provides information about local resources.

Did your CivWar ancestor or his widow apply for a CW Pension? The indexes are definitely on Ancestry, and I think on FS also. Records are starting to be scanned - otherwise, you have to get them retrieved from NARA in Washington DC. FS's wiki has good info about retrieval from NARA.

PhotoFamily
23-04-18, 03:19
And, like Canada, there is no one central location to store death records in the US.

SSDI (Social Security Death Index) is often used as a substitute, and the index is on Ancestry and FS. Really nice - ancestry now has an index/transcription of SS application info. SS started in 1932, and enrollment was not for everyone at that time. In fact, it's still not mandatory, but life would be nigh impossible without it.

Grave stones (try Findagrave or BillionGraves or ??) and obits are sometimes a substitute for DC info.

Otherwise, you need to work state by state and sometimes county by county to find a DC. And privacy moratoriums make DC retrieval difficult - Privacy laws vary by state. You'll see on the WV site that they hold records for 50 years post death. Some states are the same, a few are pretty short.

zoomer
23-04-18, 21:00
West Virginia Death Index

William Fredrick Bates
Born about 1895

Died 10 December 1953
Cabell Co, W Virginia

Aged 58

Father Thomas Bates
Mother Josephine Allgaier

FHL film no 559884

Vera

I thank you for the information. It turns out that last night I found where I had recorded the information, next to a map of West Virginia in my old set of World Book Encyclopedias which I had turned to to try to see if I would recognize the name of the town where he died. From some other source I had learned that he died in Barboursville. Everything else in your record is exactly the same as mine.

Now I am stuck trying to find out information about William's in-laws. Also I had forgotten that he was William Frederick & not Frederick William. He was always called Bill, just like my British-born grandfather.

His wife was Ruth Permelia Dalzell - she was called Permilly. I know her birth date - July 17th, 1892, they were married April 17th, 1920 & she died December 20, 1928. I am having difficulty finding anything about her parents:

John Dalzell Jr. He was probably born c. 1865-70 in Leelanau Co., Michigan s/o Lt. Major John Dalzell who was granted the land there after the American Civil War.

His father, the Major, was probably born circa 1835. He became a Captain of one cavalry unit in Ohio, then at the end of the war when most of his men had died (many died of stupid things like dysentary & not in battle) he was made a major of the Ohio 5th Cavalry. I'm looking for his dates too. I have forgotten his wife's name.

John Dalzell Jr. married Lucy Addie Mae Tuller. She was born c. 1870 in Rice Lake, Wisconsin. She had a sister Florence who married a brother of John Jr.

zoomer
23-04-18, 21:16
Thank you, I will try this link.

The ancestry.com option is not feasible for me & I do all my research online and do not have easy access to a family history center. Google is not as helpful as they once were for genealogy. I would like to look more into Civil War records.

zoomer
23-04-18, 21:18
The reply (with quotes) I sent was incomplete. It will be updated soon. Thank you for your help.

vera2013
24-04-18, 07:08
There is a tree on Family Search which gives details of John Dalzell Jnr. It is well sourced. According to the marriage record which includes the image, John Jr was born in Lima, Ohio

Marriage Elmwood, Leelanau Co, Michigan
18 Dec 1888

John Jr Dalzell, Farmer
Born Lima, Ohio 1858, aged 30
Father John Dalzell
Mother Elizabeth Grove

Married

Lucy Addie May Fuller, Domestic Helper born Wisconsin 1870 aged 18
Father C P Fuller
Mother Minnie Doan

As Photofamily has said you will need to register.

Vera

vera2013
24-04-18, 07:54
On Ancestry death cert

Traverse City Hospital

Informant State Hospital Records

John Dalzell, Elmwood , Leelanau Co

Died 13/01/1930 Aged 72

Divorced

Born 16th May 1857 Ohio

Farmer

Father John Dalzell b Penn
Mother maiden name Grove

Buried Oakwood, Traverse City 21/01/1930

Cause of death bronco-pneumonia. Contributing factor Gangrene.

Vera

zoomer
24-04-18, 20:22
Thank you for the information. The actual family name is Tuller but it is easy to confuse a T & an F from old handwritten documents. Lucy's mother's actual name was Amelia. She may have used a nickname. I knew that John Jr.'s father was born in Lima, Ohio, but I did not realize that he had family living there when he went off to war in 1861. This is new information for which I am grateful. I had assumed that he had married after the war & married & had kids later in Michigan.

zoomer
24-04-18, 20:27
I think the 1857 birth date is probably more accurate as it includes a month & date. I had not realized he died a rather gruesome death! I know the father (The Civil War officer) had been born in Pennsyvania. If my memory can be trusted, his mother's name was Margaret Glass. The first record of a Dalzell arrival in Pennsyvania is about 1700. THanks again!